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I've been a staunch supporter of "microbitcoin" and would like to do
anything I can to make sure that we jump directly to it if we're
going to promote changing the default units. And I'm happy to
integrate it into Armory as a default (with appropriate explanations
and settings/options). I'm not so convinced about the "bits" name
though -- I do like it, but I do also think that word is too
overloaded. Though, I think we could get away with it. <br>
<br>
(Sadly, I still use "microbes" occasionally (as in <b>microb</b>itcoin)
when I'm talking to coworkers, because it slips off the tongue and
is actually a good combination of brevity and self-explanatory -- it
just doesn't instill the right visuals...)<br>
<br>
We started integrating alternative units into Armory. But, of
course, there were a few more loose ends than I expected, which will
require some work. We want to put it in but not necessarily change
the default right away. I'd <i>prefer</i> we get some commitments
from some other wallet developers, so we can make a unified push for
it. I'm happy to lead that and make it default as long as I'm not
the only one in the world doing it.<br>
<br>
-Alan<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/20/2014 11:05 AM, Tamas Blummer
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<div>Here is an earlier reference to bits:</div>
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<div apple-content-edited="true">I forgot that Alan Reiner was
also supporting a unit equals to bits :</div>
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<div apple-content-edited="true">and here the earlier going back
to March 2013 and a poll at that time pushing for XBT being 1
bit</div>
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<div>On 20.04.2014, at 16:53, Pieter Wuille <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:pieter.wuille@gmail.com">pieter.wuille@gmail.com</a>>
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<blockquote type="cite">I told him specifically to bring it here
(on a pull request for<br>
Bitcoin Core), as there is no point in making such convention
changes<br>
to just one client.<br>
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I wasn't aware of any discussion about the "bits" proposal
here before.<br>
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On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Tamas Blummer <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:tamas@bitsofproof.com">tamas@bitsofproof.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">People on this list are mostly
engineers who have no problem dealing with<br>
magnitudes and have rather limited empathy for people who
have a problem<br>
with them.<br>
They also tend to think, that because they invented money
2.0 they would not<br>
need to care of finance's or people's current customs.<br>
<br>
The importance of their decisions in these questions will
fade as people<br>
already use wallets other than the core.<br>
<br>
Bring this particular discussion elsewhere, to the wallet
developer.<br>
<br>
BTW the topic was discussed here several times, you have my
support and Jeff<br>
Garzik's.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Tamas Blummer<br>
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On 20.04.2014, at 15:15, Rob Golding
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rob.golding@astutium.com"><rob.golding@astutium.com></a> wrote:<br>
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The average person is not going to be confident that the
prefix they<br>
are using is the correct one,<br>
<br>
<br>
The use of any 'prefix' is one of choice and entirely
unnecessary, and there<br>
are already established 'divisions' in u/mBTC for those that
feel they need<br>
to use such things.<br>
<br>
people WILL send 1000x more or less than<br>
intended if we go down this road,<br>
<br>
<br>
Exceptionally unlikely - I deal every day with currencies
with 0, 2 and 3<br>
dp's in amount ranging from 'under 1 whole unit' to tens of
thousands - Not<br>
once in 20 years has anyone ever 'sent' more or less than
intended - oh,<br>
they've 'intended' to underpay just fine, but never
*unintended*.<br>
<br>
I propose that users are offered a preference to denominate
the<br>
Bitcoin currency in a unit called a bit. Where one bitcoin
(BTC)<br>
equals one million bits (bits) and one bit equals 100
satoshis.<br>
<br>
<br>
I propose that for people unable to understand what a
bitcoin is, they can<br>
just use satoshi's and drop this entire proposal.<br>
<br>
Rob<br>
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