<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Alan Reiner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:etotheipi@gmail.com" target="_blank">etotheipi@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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This isn't about "everyone's coffee". This is about an absolute
minimum amount of participation by people who wish to use the
network. If our goal is really for bitcoin to really be a global,
open transaction network that makes money fluid, then 7tps is
already a failure. If even 5% of the world (350M people) was using
the network for 1 tx per month (perhaps to open payment channels, or
shift money between side chains), we'll be above 100 tps. And that
doesn't include all the non-individuals (organizations) that want to
use it.<br>
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The goals of "a global transaction network" and "everyone must be
able to run a full node with their $200 dell laptop" are not
compatible. We need to accept that a global transaction system
cannot be fully/constantly audited by everyone and their mother.
The important feature of the network is that it is open and anyone
*can* get the history and verify it. But not everyone is required
to. Trying to promote a system where the history can be forever
handled by a low-end PC is already falling out of reach, even with
our miniscule 7 tps. Clinging to that goal needlessly limits the
capability for the network to scale to be a useful global payments
system <br>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>To repeat, the very first point in my email reply was: "Agree that 7 tps is too low" Never was it said that bit<br><br></div><div>Therefore a reply arguing against the low end is nonsense, and the relevant question remains on the table.<br><br></div><div>How high do you want to go - and can Layer 1 bitcoin really scale to get there?<br><br></div></div>It is highly disappointing to see people endorse "moar bitcoin volume!" with zero thinking behind that besides "adoption!" Need to actually project what bitcoin looks like at the desired levels, what network resources are required to get to those levels -- including traffic to serve those SPV clients via P2P -- and then work backwards from that to see who can support it, and then work backwards to discern a maximum tps.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature">Jeff Garzik<br>Bitcoin core developer and open source evangelist<br>BitPay, Inc. <a href="https://bitpay.com/" target="_blank">https://bitpay.com/</a></div>
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