<div dir="auto">10% is not a tiny minority.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 8, 2017 9:51 AM, &quot;Andrew Johnson&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:andrew.johnson83@gmail.com">andrew.johnson83@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>You&#39;re never going to reach 100% agreement, and stifling the network literally forever to please a tiny minority is daft.<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 8, 2017 8:52 AM, &quot;alp alp via bitcoin-dev&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target="_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.<wbr>linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="m_-1566305387424443597quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">10% say literally never.  That seems like a significant disenfranchisement and lack of consensus.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="m_-1566305387424443597elided-text">On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 2:25 PM, t. khan via bitcoin-dev <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target="_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfounda<wbr>tion.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-1566305387424443597elided-text"><div dir="ltr"><div>On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Luke Dashjr <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:luke@dashjr.org" target="_blank">luke@dashjr.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span><span class="m_-1566305387424443597m_-8603678674590328520m_5903971323563278916gmail-">On Monday, February 06, 2017 6:19:43 PM you wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;My BIP draft didn&#39;t make progress because the community opposes any block<br>
&gt; &gt;size increase hardfork ever.<br>
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</span></span><span><span class="m_-1566305387424443597m_-8603678674590328520m_5903971323563278916gmail-">&gt; Luke, how do you know the community opposes that? Specifically, how did you<br>
&gt; come to this conclusion?<br>
<br>
</span></span><a href="http://www.strawpoll.me/12228388/r" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.strawpoll.me/122283<wbr>88/r</a></blockquote><div><br></div>That poll shows 63% of votes want a larger than 1 MB block by this summer. How do you go from that to &quot;the community opposes any block increase ever&quot;? It shows the exact opposite of that.<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span><span class="m_-1566305387424443597m_-8603678674590328520m_5903971323563278916gmail-">
&gt; &gt;Your version doesn&#39;t address the current block size<br>
&gt; &gt;issues (ie, the blocks being too large).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Why do you think blocks are &quot;too large&quot;? Please cite some evidence. I&#39;ve<br>
&gt; asked this before and you ignored it, but an answer would be helpful to the<br>
&gt; discussion.<br>
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</span></span>Full node count is far below the safe minimum of 85% of economic activity.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Is this causing a problem now? If so, what?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Typically reasons given for people not using full nodes themselves come down<br>
to the high resource requirements caused by the block size.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>The reason people stop running nodes is because there&#39;s no incentive to counteract the resource costs. Attempting to solve this by making blocks *smaller* is like curing a disease by killing the patient. (Incentivizing full node operation would fix that problem.)<br></div><div><br></div><div>- t.k.</div></div><br></div></div></div>
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