<div dir="auto"><div>Doing nothing is the rules we all agreed to. If those rules are to be changed,nearly everyone will need to consent. The same rule applies to the cap, we all agreed to 21m, and if someone wants to change that, nearly everyone would need to agree.<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 8, 2017 10:28 AM, "Andrew Johnson" <<a href="mailto:andrew.johnson83@gmail.com">andrew.johnson83@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">It is when you're talking about making a choice and 6.3x more people prefer something else. Doing nothing is a choice as well.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Put another way, if 10% supported increasing the 21M coin cap and 63% were against, would you seriously consider doing it?</div></div><div class="elided-text"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 8, 2017 9:57 AM, "alp alp" <<a href="mailto:alp.bitcoin@gmail.com" target="_blank">alp.bitcoin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">10% is not a tiny minority.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 8, 2017 9:51 AM, "Andrew Johnson" <<a href="mailto:andrew.johnson83@gmail.com" target="_blank">andrew.johnson83@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>You're never going to reach 100% agreement, and stifling the network literally forever to please a tiny minority is daft.<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 8, 2017 8:52 AM, "alp alp via bitcoin-dev" <<a href="mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target="_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfounda<wbr>tion.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="m_-4533964880556653042m_-8682514029143378247m_-1566305387424443597quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">10% say literally never. That seems like a significant disenfranchisement and lack of consensus.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="m_-4533964880556653042m_-8682514029143378247m_-1566305387424443597elided-text">On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 2:25 PM, t. khan via bitcoin-dev <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target="_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfounda<wbr>tion.org</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-4533964880556653042m_-8682514029143378247m_-1566305387424443597elided-text"><div dir="ltr"><div>On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Luke Dashjr <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:luke@dashjr.org" target="_blank">luke@dashjr.org</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span><span class="m_-4533964880556653042m_-8682514029143378247m_-1566305387424443597m_-8603678674590328520m_5903971323563278916gmail-">On Monday, February 06, 2017 6:19:43 PM you wrote:<br>
> >My BIP draft didn't make progress because the community opposes any block<br>
> >size increase hardfork ever.<br>
><br>
</span></span><span><span class="m_-4533964880556653042m_-8682514029143378247m_-1566305387424443597m_-8603678674590328520m_5903971323563278916gmail-">> Luke, how do you know the community opposes that? Specifically, how did you<br>
> come to this conclusion?<br>
<br>
</span></span><a href="http://www.strawpoll.me/12228388/r" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.strawpoll.me/122283<wbr>88/r</a></blockquote><div><br></div>That poll shows 63% of votes want a larger than 1 MB block by this summer. How do you go from that to "the community opposes any block increase ever"? It shows the exact opposite of that.<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span><span class="m_-4533964880556653042m_-8682514029143378247m_-1566305387424443597m_-8603678674590328520m_5903971323563278916gmail-">
> >Your version doesn't address the current block size<br>
> >issues (ie, the blocks being too large).<br>
><br>
> Why do you think blocks are "too large"? Please cite some evidence. I've<br>
> asked this before and you ignored it, but an answer would be helpful to the<br>
> discussion.<br>
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</span></span>Full node count is far below the safe minimum of 85% of economic activity.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Is this causing a problem now? If so, what?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Typically reasons given for people not using full nodes themselves come down<br>
to the high resource requirements caused by the block size.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>The reason people stop running nodes is because there's no incentive to counteract the resource costs. Attempting to solve this by making blocks *smaller* is like curing a disease by killing the patient. (Incentivizing full node operation would fix that problem.)<br></div><div><br></div><div>- t.k.</div></div><br></div></div></div>
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