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    <p>I have heard such theory before, it's a complete mistake to think
      that others would run full nodes to protect their business and
      then yours, unless it is proven that they are decentralized and
      independent</p>
    <p>Running a full node is trivial and not expensive for people who
      know how to do it, even with much bigger blocks, assuming that the
      full nodes are still decentralized and that they don't have to
      fight against big nodes who would attract the traffic first<br>
    </p>
    <p>I have posted many times here a small proposal, that exactly
      describes what is going on now, yes miners are nodes too... it's
      disturbing to see that despite of Tera bytes of BIPs, papers, etc
      the current situation is happening and that all the supposed
      decentralized system is biased by centralization</p>
    <p>Do we know what majority controls the 6000 full nodes?</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 29/03/2017 à 22:32, Jared Lee
      Richardson via bitcoin-dev a écrit :<br>
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cite="mid:CAD1TkXtze_TVegXz4AeJCxK59+cuwRQ=w4upzX+HoQ90Py52OA@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">&gt; <span style="font-size:12.8px">Perhaps you are
          fortunate to have a home computer that has more than a single
          512GB SSD. Lots of consumer hardware has that little storage.</span><br>
        <br>
        <span style="font-size:12.8px">That's very poor logic, sorry. 
          Restricted-space SSD's are not a cost-effective hardware
          option for running a node.  Keeping blocksizes small has
          significant other costs for everyone.  Comparing the cost of
          running a node under arbitrary conditons A, B, or C when there
          are far more efficient options than any of those is a very bad
          way to think about the costs of running a node.  You basically
          have to ignore the significant consequences of keeping blocks
          small.<br>
          <br>
          If node operational costs rose to the point where an entire
          wide swath of users that we do actually need for security
          purposes could not justify running a node, that's something
          important for consideration.  For me, that translates to
          modern hardware that's relatively well aligned with the needs
          of running a node - perhaps budget hardware, but still modern
          - and above-average bandwidth caps.</span>
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        <div><span style="font-size:12.8px">You're free to disagree, but
            your example only makes sense to me if blocksize caps didn't
            have serious consequences.  Even if those consequences are
            just the threat of a contentious fork by people who are
            mislead about the real consequences, that threat is still a
            consequence itself.</span></div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:18 AM, David
          Vorick via bitcoin-dev <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
              target="_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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                <div class="gmail_extra">Perhaps you are fortunate to
                  have a home computer that has more than a single 512GB
                  SSD. Lots of consumer hardware has that little
                  storage. Throw on top of it standard consumer usage,
                  and you're often left with less than 200 GB of free
                  space. Bitcoin consumes more than half of that, which
                  feels very expensive, especially if it motivates you
                  to buy another drive.</div>
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              <div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br>
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              <div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto">I have talked to
                several people who cite this as the primary reason that
                they are reluctant to join the full node club.</div>
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