<div dir="ltr">The futures market is showing economic consensus support for S2X fork at about 12% right now. Miners can&#39;t afford to mine at 12% of value. It is not impossible that this fork you are making will have minority hashpower very quickly, or even from the start.<div><br></div><div>Forking the miners does not fork the users automatically, and it does not create demand for their new blocks. You need to get serious about protecting your own fork from this situation, or call off the whole thing entirely.</div><div><br></div><div>You only have a majority consensus of miners and no other players in this incentive structure. Even with the miners, most of your signaling is just that, and only by pools. Individual miners will mine what is most profitable, and if that is the original Bitcoin, that IS what they will mine.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 5:01 AM Emil Oldenburg via Bitcoin-segwit2x &lt;<a href="mailto:bitcoin-segwit2x@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-segwit2x@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>The hardfork part is already locked in and is not subject to
      change. Many btc1 nodes are already deployed and they should not
      and don&#39;t need to update. The only thing left is a potential extra
      softfork for opt-in replay protection. Only the miners need this
      softfork.</p>
    <p>What makes you think the hardfork will have less than 40%
      hashpower?<br>
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    <pre class="m_1285858492864195189moz-signature" cols="72">Emil Oldenburg, CTO
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    </div><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="m_1285858492864195189moz-cite-prefix">On 2017年10月13日 17:31, Peter
      BitcoinReminder.com wrote:<br>
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      Thats not a reason, the BTC1 sourcecode is still in development
      (f.e. replay protection was reverted just 1-2 days ago?) - so the
      argument „it can’t be called off“ is just wrong.
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      <div>So wouldn’t it make sense to add a minimum required
        hashrate for the HF to lock in? You are really going to fork off
        with f.e. 40 % hashpower?</div>
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              <div>Am 13.10.2017 um 03:42 schrieb Emil
                Oldenburg via Bitcoin-segwit2x &lt;<a href="mailto:bitcoin-segwit2x@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target="_blank">bitcoin-segwit2x@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt;:</div>
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                  <p>If we try to be technical here. The HF is
                    already activated, is estimated to trigger in 36
                    days, and can&#39;t be &quot;called off&quot;. Nor is there any
                    logic to delay it if hashrate deflects. That&#39;s the
                    rules of the btc1 client.<br>
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                  <pre class="m_1285858492864195189moz-signature" cols="72">Emil Oldenburg, CTO
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                  <div class="m_1285858492864195189moz-cite-prefix">On 2017年10月13日 05:31,
                    John Heathco via Bitcoin-segwit2x wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="auto">I don&#39;t believe there is
                        an explicitly stated hashpower in which the fork
                        would be &quot;called off&quot;, but I would assume it is
                        much lower than what is currently signaling,
                        even if we make the (unwise) assumption that
                        F2Pool would not contribute to mining 2x
                        whatsoever.</div>
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                        <div>On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:57 PM
                          Peter <a href="http://BitcoinReminder.com" target="_blank">BitcoinReminder.com</a>
                          via Bitcoin-segwit2x &lt;<a href="mailto:bitcoin-segwit2x@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target="_blank">bitcoin-segwit2x@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt;
                          wrote:<br>
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                            <div>I’m not Peter Todd, we just
                              share the same (nice) firstname.</div>
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                            <div>I still didn’t get an answer
                              what the minimum amount of hashpower is
                              required, before the fork is getting
                              delayed?</div>
                            <div>We have to plan time for the
                              whole security measures etc, so I think
                              it’s reasonable to get more information
                              about this?</div>
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                                    <div>Am 12.10.2017 um 21:53
                                      schrieb bitPico &lt;<a href="mailto:bitpico@icloud.com" target="_blank">bitpico@icloud.com</a>&gt;:</div>
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                                      <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Without you knowing why
                                        they stopped signaling this is
                                        FUD and off-topic for this list.
                                        Please instead let F2Pool  state
                                        their own opinion here since
                                        yours doesn’t count. If you
                                        think your opinion does count
                                        then show us your blocks that
                                        your pool has produced; until
                                        then you are simply an end-user
                                        and still you are off-topic for
                                        this list. If you need ELI5 for
                                        how this list works please let
                                        us know and we can help you
                                        Peter Todd.
                                        <div><br>
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                                        <div>Have a groovy day!<br>
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                                                <div>On Oct 12,
                                                  2017, at 8:49 AM,
                                                  Peter <a href="http://bitcoinreminder.com/" target="_blank">BitcoinReminder.com</a>
                                                  via Bitcoin-segwit2x
                                                  &lt;<a href="mailto:bitcoin-segwit2x@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target="_blank">bitcoin-segwit2x@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt;
                                                  wrote:</div>
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                                                  <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Since
                                                    F2Pool stopped
                                                    signaling for the
                                                    NYA[1] and slush
                                                    also mines mostly
                                                    non-NYA blocks, are
                                                    you still going to
                                                    fork off in November
                                                    - splitting the
                                                    chain
                                                    intentionally? 
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                                                    <div>[1] <a href="https://imgur.com/LgYdFKw" target="_blank">https://imgur.com/LgYdFKw</a></div>
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</blockquote></div><div dir="ltr">-- <br></div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><br>John C<br></div>Bitcoin Error Log<br></div><a href="http://www.bitcoinerrorlog.com">www.bitcoinerrorlog.com</a><br></div></div>