<div dir="ltr">The futures market is showing economic consensus support for S2X fork at about 12% right now. Miners can't afford to mine at 12% of value. It is not impossible that this fork you are making will have minority hashpower very quickly, or even from the start.<div><br></div><div>Forking the miners does not fork the users automatically, and it does not create demand for their new blocks. You need to get serious about protecting your own fork from this situation, or call off the whole thing entirely.</div><div><br></div><div>You only have a majority consensus of miners and no other players in this incentive structure. Even with the miners, most of your signaling is just that, and only by pools. Individual miners will mine what is most profitable, and if that is the original Bitcoin, that IS what they will mine.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 5:01 AM Emil Oldenburg via Bitcoin-segwit2x <<a href="mailto:bitcoin-segwit2x@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-segwit2x@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>The hardfork part is already locked in and is not subject to
change. Many btc1 nodes are already deployed and they should not
and don't need to update. The only thing left is a potential extra
softfork for opt-in replay protection. Only the miners need this
softfork.</p>
<p>What makes you think the hardfork will have less than 40%
hashpower?<br>
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</div><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="m_1285858492864195189moz-cite-prefix">On 2017年10月13日 17:31, Peter
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Thats not a reason, the BTC1 sourcecode is still in development
(f.e. replay protection was reverted just 1-2 days ago?) - so the
argument „it can’t be called off“ is just wrong.
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<div>So wouldn’t it make sense to add a minimum required
hashrate for the HF to lock in? You are really going to fork off
with f.e. 40 % hashpower?</div>
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<div>Am 13.10.2017 um 03:42 schrieb Emil
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<p>If we try to be technical here. The HF is
already activated, is estimated to trigger in 36
days, and can't be "called off". Nor is there any
logic to delay it if hashrate deflects. That's the
rules of the btc1 client.<br>
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<div class="m_1285858492864195189moz-cite-prefix">On 2017年10月13日 05:31,
John Heathco via Bitcoin-segwit2x wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">I don't believe there is
an explicitly stated hashpower in which the fork
would be "called off", but I would assume it is
much lower than what is currently signaling,
even if we make the (unwise) assumption that
F2Pool would not contribute to mining 2x
whatsoever.</div>
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<div>On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:57 PM
Peter <a href="http://BitcoinReminder.com" target="_blank">BitcoinReminder.com</a>
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<div>I’m not Peter Todd, we just
share the same (nice) firstname.</div>
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<div>I still didn’t get an answer
what the minimum amount of hashpower is
required, before the fork is getting
delayed?</div>
<div>We have to plan time for the
whole security measures etc, so I think
it’s reasonable to get more information
about this?</div>
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schrieb bitPico <<a href="mailto:bitpico@icloud.com" target="_blank">bitpico@icloud.com</a>>:</div>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Without you knowing why
they stopped signaling this is
FUD and off-topic for this list.
Please instead let F2Pool state
their own opinion here since
yours doesn’t count. If you
think your opinion does count
then show us your blocks that
your pool has produced; until
then you are simply an end-user
and still you are off-topic for
this list. If you need ELI5 for
how this list works please let
us know and we can help you
Peter Todd.
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<div>Have a groovy day!<br>
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2017, at 8:49 AM,
Peter <a href="http://bitcoinreminder.com/" target="_blank">BitcoinReminder.com</a>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Since
F2Pool stopped
signaling for the
NYA[1] and slush
also mines mostly
non-NYA blocks, are
you still going to
fork off in November
- splitting the
chain
intentionally?
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