<div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks everyone.</div><div><br></div><div>Sending email now. <br></div><div>Not moderating list unless we have an issue.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 10:19 AM Sean Goggins <<a href="mailto:s@goggins.com">s@goggins.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">I think Georg has sufficient input to act, now, and I support however we proceed 100%.<div><br></div><div>Moderating the email list seems like too much labor. If I see something come across that I do not think follows our code of conduct, I will email according to the process outlined in the code of conduct itself. </div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/chaoss/governance/blob/master/code-of-conduct.md" target="_blank">https://github.com/chaoss/governance/blob/master/code-of-conduct.md</a> <br><div><br></div><div>Sean <br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Apr 3, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Amy <<a href="mailto:amy@demarco.com" target="_blank">amy@demarco.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="auto">I agree on the email and I can go either way on the blog post. I do not think we should moderate the mailing list.<div><br></div><div>Thanks for all the work and the discussions on this.</div><div><br></div><div>Amy</div><div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Apr 3, 2021, at 4:50 AM, Daniel Izquierdo <<a href="mailto:daniel.izquierdo.cortazar@gmail.com" target="_blank">daniel.izquierdo.cortazar@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Georg, and everyone else,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for moving this forward. I think this is an important action to do.</div><div><br></div><div>I agree with the comments and the communication channel to use (email + blog post). <br></div><div><br></div><div>With respect to the mailing list moderation, we already have a CoC and this is referenced in the email proposal. I'm not against moderating the list for a while, but who are we to moderate someone's opinion? Another case is to moderate new people joining the discussion during these days as they may join for a specific reason.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Daniel.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El vie, 2 abr 2021 a las 15:58, Georg Link (<<a href="mailto:linkgeorg@gmail.com" target="_blank">linkgeorg@gmail.com</a>>) escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi CHAOSS Board Members,</div><div><br></div><div></div><div>TL/DR, proposals:</div><div><ol><li>Community Communication: YES, send Saturday (tomorrow).</li><li>Public Statement: YES, publish the same email on our blog on Monday (in 3 days).</li><li>Sign Open Letter: NO.<br></li></ol></div><div><br></div><div>Thank you for chiming in on this important topic.<br></div><div>Following is a summary of what I've heard (including private emails) and proposals for each decision.</div><div></div><div><br></div><div><b># 1. Community Communication</b></div><div><b></b>I heard only support for our internal email to CHAOSS members with the following edit suggestions:</div><div>* Sean: Add statement about RMS. Suggestion was revoked to stay positive and not give RMS more attention.<br></div><div>* Kate: Use "free and open source" instead of "open source" -- The email contains neither, that was in Sean's proposal.</div><div>* Don: Spell out DEI -- The email doesn't contain DEI, that was only in our comments.</div><div>===> No changes made to the email draft.<br></div><div><br></div><div><i>[x] Proposal:</i><b> YES</b>, send email. Following a lazy consensus approach, I'll wait another day before sending the email to the CHAOSS community mailing list. This will have given everyone 3 days to object and improve the proposal.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b># 2. Public Statement</b> <br></div><div>I heard mixed opinions about this but no strong support. The email to our members seems to do justice to the situation.</div><div><br></div><div><div><i>[x] Proposal:</i><b> YES, but</b> we publish the same email also on our CHAOSS blog to give it a bit more visibility long-term compared to the mailing list archive only. Following a lazy consensus approach, I'll wait until Monday before publishing the blog post, giving everyone another 3 days to object to and improve this proposal.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b># 3. Sign Open Letter</b></div><div>I heard very little on this topic because most discussion was about the email to the community.</div><div><b><br></b></div><div><div><i>[x] Proposal: </i><b>NO</b>. No lazy consensus needed since this is inaction. We can change our mind any time.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Georg<br></div><div><b></b></div></div><div><b></b></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 3:40 PM Georg Link <<a href="mailto:linkgeorg@gmail.com" target="_blank">linkgeorg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi CHAOSS Board members,</div><div><br></div><div>In the DEI Working Group
call [1] there was discussion about the recent/ongoing concerns related to
RMS rejoining the FSF board. As the DEI WG is committed to helping
organizations and communities center DEI in their open source work, the question was raised whether CHAOSS could or should have any response. It is possible that the Linux Foundation is also
responding to this (or already has) and any insight on that would be
helpful too. <br></div><div><br></div><div>We have three decisions to make and I would love your input. <br></div><div>We don't need to make the choice right now, we can first discuss.<br></div><div>I will voice my own opinion in a response to this email tomorrow.</div><div><br></div><div><b># Decision 1 - YES/NO: Public Statement:</b> Does CHAOSS make a public statement?</div><div><br></div><div>Other organizations have publicly stated how they stand on the subject of bringing RMS back on board but more broadly about expecting respect and dignity from free software and open source leaders. Examples:<br></div><ul><li>OpenUK: <a href="https://openuk.uk/openuk-response-to-richard-stallmans-reinstatement-to-fsf-board/" target="_blank">https://openuk.uk/openuk-response-to-richard-stallmans-reinstatement-to-fsf-board/</a></li><li>RedHat: <a href="https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-statement-about-richard-stallmans-return-free-software-foundation-board" target="_blank">https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-statement-about-richard-stallmans-return-free-software-foundation-board</a></li><li>Outreachy: <a href="https://www.outreachy.org/blog/2021-03-23/fsf-participation-barred/" target="_blank">https://www.outreachy.org/blog/2021-03-23/fsf-participation-barred/</a><br></li></ul><div><br></div><div><b># Decision 2 - YES/NO: Community Communication: </b>Do we, as the board, send a message to our community members?</div><div><br> </div><div>We are lucky with how inclusive the CHAOSS community is and now might be a good time to reinforce that this is by design and choice, affirming to our community members that we value and strive for DEI, respect, and positive.</div><div><br></div><div>Here is a draft for the CHAOSS mailing list that we can discuss:</div><div><br></div><div>>>></div><div>Hello CHAOSS Community members, <br><div><br></div><div>In light of
recent events surrounding the FSF, we wanted to reach out to our
community; specifically those who may feel uncertain what our stance is.
We wanted to assure you that this community does not condone or
tolerate harassment or inappropriate conduct at any time. </div><br>We
would also like to extend our sincere thank you to all of you. Your
effort and contributions are what make the CHAOSS community who we are.
We welcome and support everyone.You have all been excellent in creating a
positive environment by:<br><ul><li>Using welcoming and inclusive language</li><li>Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences</li><li>Gracefully accepting constructive criticism</li><li>Focusing on what is best for the community</li><li>Showing empathy towards other community members</li></ul><div>Should
you notice unacceptable behavior, please use our process in our <a href="https://chaoss.community/about/code-of-conduct/" target="_blank">Code of Conduct</a> to allow us to restore the positive environment we are
currently enjoying in CHAOSS.</div><div>>>><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>Thank you to Matt, Nicole, and Elizabeth for helping with the draft.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b># Decision 3 - YES/NO: Sign Open Letter:</b> Does CHAOSS sign the open letter to FSF?</div><div><br></div><div>This is the letter: <a href="https://rms-open-letter.github.io/" target="_blank">https://rms-open-letter.github.io/</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>What are your thoughts?<br></div><div><br></div><div></div><div>Best,</div><div>Georg<br></div><div><br></div><div>PS: Please remember that the CHAOSS Board mailing list has a public archive. You can share your thoughts privately with me and other board members by sending a direct email.</div><div><br></div><div></div><div>[1] CHAOSS DEI meeting from 2021-03-24, <a href="https://youtu.be/L_tuEhyLRt4?t=1714" target="_blank">starting at minute 28:30</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Georg Link, PhD</div><div>(he/him)<br></div></div></div></div></div>
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