<div dir="ltr"><div>Yes, I observe most decisions having been made or confirmed in calls for the overall CHAOSS project and within our workgroups.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I observed that the discussion boiled down to an agreement that we do not want too many communication channels and should choose either Discourse or mailing lists. You and I advocated for Discourse, most others were indifferent with questions about change. I view the default option to be "no change" unless with the support from more people.</div><div><br></div><div>We could, as the D&I workgroup, abandon our mailing list in favor of Discourse and maybe the rest of CHAOSS will follow. The workgroups are given autonomy in how they want to organize.<br>
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 5:33 PM Emma Irwin <<a href="mailto:eirwin@mozilla.com">eirwin@mozilla.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Great but I'm still wondering; is this how decisions work generally? (Dependent on call participation?)<div dir="auto">Genuinely curious and helps my own research ;)</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, 18 Nov 2018, 3:17 PM Georg Link <<a href="mailto:glink@unomaha.edu" target="_blank">glink@unomaha.edu</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Emma,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for keeping me honest. <br></div><div><br></div><div>From the <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DPGQylNirtM4&d=DwMFaQ&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=P2SSJg6nDRqSw6MK6ZVW76NaDtv69G3wvyOnOxwzqv0&m=GsI5ItYj1t8XACBsAWBhhFkTfp-ALY5qVFlEmh8r6XA&s=T8NB_DvM_bNtTX-hCXjb55SQYzasZEU7CNBM4Cb-07g&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">recording</a>, I reconstruct that on the call were:</div><div>- Sean Goggins</div><div>- Matt Germonprez</div><div>- Georg Link</div><div>- Ben Lloyd Pearson</div><div>- Ray Paik</div><div>- Matthew Snell</div><div>- Dawn Foster<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 1:39 PM Emma Irwin <<a href="mailto:eirwin@mozilla.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">eirwin@mozilla.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hi Georg<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">*Who* decided would also be interesting to know. Or rather, who is 'we' from project decision making perspective. Not a challenge just curious :)</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, 18 Nov 2018, 10:23 AM Georg Link <<a href="mailto:glink@unomaha.edu" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">glink@unomaha.edu</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Update: <br></div><div>On Tuesday's call, we favored the following approach.<br></div><div>NO CHANGE: Do not use Discourse and continue using mailing lists. <br></div><div>Next time we see the need for a new mailing list, we have Discourse waiting for us and we can consider moving mailing list communications over to Discourse.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion here on the mailing list and on various calls.</div><div><br></div><div>Georg<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 12:34 PM Georg Link <<a href="mailto:glink@unomaha.edu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">glink@unomaha.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Thank you for the additional comments Jesus, and Stefano.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regarding FOSS requirement: Discourse (the software) is licensed under <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_discourse_discourse_blob_master_LICENSE.txt&d=DwMFaQ&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=P2SSJg6nDRqSw6MK6ZVW76NaDtv69G3wvyOnOxwzqv0&m=OvQoKqam-Cnlz5OFzTVFFnif5N0HLmKt4vzn7JrxUJM&s=yzo0VuI5aReX5Z4-kVykKcAXpzosffSrx9xDo6If01E&e=" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">GPL-v2</a>. <br></div><div><br></div><div>If hosting by Civilized Discourse Construction Kit, Inc. (the company) is a concern, we can ask LF to host it for us. <br></div><div>It seems easier to secure hosting from the company behind the software.<br></div><div>I don't see a problem, because we can <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__meta.discourse.org_t_move-2Dyour-2Ddiscourse-2Dinstance-2Dto-2Da-2Ddifferent-2Dserver_15721&d=DwMFaQ&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=P2SSJg6nDRqSw6MK6ZVW76NaDtv69G3wvyOnOxwzqv0&m=OvQoKqam-Cnlz5OFzTVFFnif5N0HLmKt4vzn7JrxUJM&s=agL2HBx8llWXwwWKlcxnLcWkx3u_uX4gS5UBit57M20&e=" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">export all data and move hosting</a> at any time. </div><div><br></div><div>Georg<br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 3:53 AM, Stefano Zacchiroli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:zack@upsilon.cc" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">zack@upsilon.cc</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 01:06:55PM -0800, dmg wrote:<br>
> - we should let the working groups use whatever tools they want, as long as:<br>
><br>
> - the communications are archived, and the archives can be browsed<br>
> without any further credentials<br>
<br>
</span>What's the definition of "archived" here?<br>
<br>
In particular: considering the offer at hand is a Discourse instance not<br>
hosted by CHAOSS / LF, would that be enough?<br>
<br>
(Don't get me wrong: I totally agree with the proposed "should be<br>
archived" requirement. I just think it's much harder to comply with than<br>
it might appear at first. I blame my software archivist bias :-))<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
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