<div dir="auto"><div>This makes a lot of sense to me as a way to correct the incentives for closing channels. I figure that honest nodes that have truly gone offline will not require (or be able to take advantage of) immediate access to their balance, such that this change shouldn't cause too much inconvenience.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I was trying to think if this could open up a DOS vector - dishonest nodes performing unilateral closes even when mutual closes are possible just to lock up the other side's coins - but it seems like not much of a concern. I figure it's hard to pull off on a large scale.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Daniel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 6:10 PM Jim Posen <<a href="mailto:jim.posen@gmail.com">jim.posen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
By extension, perhaps both sides should use the maximum delay either one<br>
asks for?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm not sure that is necessary. As long as both parties have to wait the same amount of time regardless of whether they publish the commitment or the other side does, that would resolve the issue.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I don't think it's urgent, but please put it into the brainstorming part<br>
of the wiki so we don't lose track?[1]<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">I don't have access to add to the wiki. I'd write a section like:</span><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"># Symmetric CSV Delay</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Change the script of the remote output of all commitment transactions to require the full CSV delay. This acts as further incentive for both parties to mutually close instead of waiting for the other side to unilaterally close, and serves as punishment to misbehaving or unresponsive nodes that force the other endpoint to go to chain.</div></div></div></div></div>
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