[Accessibility] Draft meeting minutes for meeting of November 19.

Randall S Horwitz rhorwitz at us.ibm.com
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Meeting minutes 11/19/2003

November 19, 2003 Draft Minutes Linux Accessibility workgroup

Doug Beattie
Jonathan Blanford
Bill Haneman
Randy Horwitz
Peter Korn
Janina Sajka
Gunnar Schmidt
Matthew Wilcox

Action item updates:
Update: Janina is still trying to chase down Greg V. He is in the midst of working on a grant, Janina will checkpoint in a week or so. Will email first, and then call.

1. Obtain infromation on Braille Com (spelling?) and send to group email list.
2. Send out list of all of the stake holders. People like Baum, for example.

Janina: Write up sample face to face meeting invite and post to group email list for comment.

Minutes from the Nov.12 meeting were accepted without further changes.

Press Release: 

The Press Release Draft iss out to most folks who wanted it. If you want one and have not gotten it, send Janina an email.

Discussion on year 2 items: 

Janina- Need to do now so we can make sure that the NSF will help us out monetarily for a face to face . There seems to be an interest from them. Good sign. Believes AT-SPI and shared IO could certainly benerfit.
Janina-Further, good to have support from non-corporatee entities.

Janina- when and where. May want to get an idea of time pretty soon

Randy-Are we looking for a general timeframe then?

Janina-Hopefully before the end of June, with a March to June window being best.

Bill-Any one remember the GUADEC? date

(Peter returns)

(Willy joins)

Peter-Recommends before or after CSUN in LA.

Janina-perfectly happy to do it then. Better for fundraising. Suspects NSF will put up a nice meeting for us.

Bill-feels strongly in favor of a dedicated time meeting. May add to costs.

Doug-What about Monday after CSUN

Peter-Also ATIA in January

Janina-I doubt we can get everything that needs to be done in time.

Janina-Where is GUADEC this year?


Janina-Will it be ok to invite KDE folks to a GNOME event.

Peter-Doesn't believe so.

Jonathan-Probably not a problem

General Group Comment-Burn out stilll a factor follwing GUADEC.

Bill-Still thinks separate conference is the best.



Janina-Hawaii? NSF money should be ok.

Doug-Talked with Neil, he is  investigating lodging to get us better rates.

Doug-Hawaii-From Neil $40 a night for lodging. $300-800 round trip out there, depending on location.


Janina- April open. May has two conferences. June pretty wide open.

Janina-Likes April.

Doug-If April August Linux World may be a good idea.

Janina-Shoot for April?

Jonathan-Out of town starting April 28 but the rest looks ok.

Doug-Purpose and goals for this meeting? This has to go in NSF write up

Who will be there:

Janina-Who do we need to bring? Want most bang for buck from NSF. Does this seem reasonable?

Doug-Is this within the (NSF) budget?

Janina-Believes so

Janina-We need to determine the topics

Doug-Travel budgets of companies?

Peter-Has to check.

Jonathan-Maybe. May be tough to sell management on Hawaii.

Doug-Maybe best to start with who else can go?

Peter-Michael Meeks

Gunnar-Believes we need to invite some one from Trolltech, especially if we are going to be talking AT-SPI.

Doug-Aaron Seigo from KDE may be a good idea.

Willy-Mario Lang from Debian.

Janina-Any one else dealt with small Prague company called Braille Com (spelling?). They've built another interface on Emacs.

Peter-Send info on this company to list?


Peter-Peter to be given action item. (see above)

Doug-John Goldthwaite?
Janina-Definitely. We need John.

More individuals:

Janina-Do we need a strategy to start mining other folks to do work?

Randy-Not a bad idea.

Janina-Do we re-articulate things that might have engineering work opportunities? We want to work with folks?

Doug-How about we make our face to face a Brainstorming opportunity?

Janina-We have an action item to put together a statement helping folks to come and Brainstorm. Contact us if they are interested in doing a Brainstorming session?

Doug-Don't put in some one will pay for them or where. Those who want to input email back to Janina. Then we can look at the sincere ones?

Janina-Willl post to Accessibility list. Will give approximate dates.

Doug-Could be kickoff for getting year 2 and 3 stuff moving.

Agenda for face to face:

Janina-Agenda for this meeting. How will it go?

Peter-Not sure will have enough folks for formal plenaries.

Doug-If we get enough of the right folks to expand topics.

Bill- We need to get as much done as we can on year 1 items.

Janina-Agrees. Want stuff at least rolling.
bill-Road map on year 2 items also.

bill-First is more concrete, second will be brainstorming.

Janina-Folks for brainstorming session may not have to be at meeting as long.

Randy-Could save on lodging for some, and thus slim budgets.

Doug-First Brainstorming and then the year 1 folks can stay longer.

Janina-Will be able to have a meeting. May be easier to start Brainstorming and work backwards.

Bill-Brainstorming could expand to fill all available time. Want concrete finalization of year 1 items. Break the day up between the two.

Janina wants to see these two things happen at the end of this face to face:
1. Wants year one groups to really have made some progress. Can see that really moving forward
2. Year 2: Brainstorming on what kind of coarse grained things can be written. What do we want money for.

Randy-Makes sense, and can't we do some of these items in Parallel, or do we want the entire core group available for every single meeting?

Bill-Strictly parallel would break down. But might be able to break out.

Peter-Doesn't think so.

Bill-For instance the device io stuff could be taking place same time as discussion keyboard accessibility.

NSF Proposal:

Janina-Do we have list of things we need to address in the NSF "2-pager"

Doug-Listing specific meetings, Cost estimates. People and why. Initial list of attendees will be needed.

Other stake holders to invite: 

Peter- Baum, UToronto...  Will take action item to list all of the stake holders.

Bill-He thinks it is more important to have people who aren't already part of GNOME.

Janina-Only active folks currently is not good.

Peter-Most important are the toolkit folks. any large aps that are custom.

Bill-Is not sure about that. If some one is already doing that, how much do they get out of this?

Peter-They might contribute experiences as to how they did things.

Janina-We do need some folks who are implementing and doing this now.

Bill-General caution Does not want to be exclusive, but the more people involved the more difficult it will be to begin moving forward.

Doug-Touch on areas that could bennifit from Kernel folks like Allen Cox and Willy from Debian?

Willy-Mario knows more about general Accessibility.

What next:

Bill-Do we postpone year 2 discussions?

Janina-Need to start thinking about this now. The overall point is recruitment.

Janina-Do we start to think about year 2 in general?

Doug-That other year 1 work has gone to sub-committee. This more general. Sub-teams can req times on the agenda if needed.

Janina-These groups may need to be pinned down further.

Next up: Year 1 re-visited. and how to start organizing for year 2?

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