[Accessibility] Corrected Minutes for Nov. 19 meeting
Randall S Horwitz
rhorwitz at us.ibm.com
Mon Nov 24 09:37:08 PST 2003
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Meeting minutes 11/19/2003
November 19, 2003 Draft Minutes Linux Accessibility workgroup
Doug Beattie
Jonathan Blanford
Bill Haneman
Randy Horwitz
Peter Korn
Janina Sajka
Gunnar Schmidt
Matthew Wilcox
Action item updates:
Update: Janina is still trying to chase down Greg V. He is in the midst of working on a grant, Janina will checkpoint in a week or so. Will email first, and then call.
Peter:
Send out list of all of the stake holders. People like Baum, for example.
See email from Peter with these individuals.
Janina:
1. Obtain infromation on Braille Com (spelling?) and send to group email list.
2. Write up sample face to face meeting invite and post to group email list for comment.
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Minutes from the Nov.12 meeting were accepted without further changes.
Press Release:
The Press Release Draft iss out to most folks who wanted it. If you want one and have not gotten it, send Janina an email.
Discussion on year 2 items:
Janina- Need to do now so we can make sure that the NSF will help us out monetarily for a face to face . There seems to be an interest from them. Good sign. Believes AT-SPI and shared IO could certainly benerfit.
Janina-Further, good to have support from non-corporatee entities.
Janina- when and where. May want to get an idea of time pretty soon
Randy-Are we looking for a general timeframe then?
Janina-Hopefully before the end of June, with a March to June window being best.
Bill-Any one remember the GUADEC? date
(Peter returns)
(Willy joins)
Peter-Recommends before or after CSUN in LA.
Janina-perfectly happy to do it then. Better for fundraising. Suspects NSF will put up a nice meeting for us.
Bill-feels strongly in favor of a dedicated time meeting. May add to costs.
Doug-What about Monday after CSUN
Peter-Also ATIA in January
Janina-I doubt we can get everything that needs to be done in time.
Janina-Where is GUADEC this year?
Jonathan-Norway.
Janina-Will it be ok to invite KDE folks to a GNOME event.
Peter-I don't believe it will be a problem to invite KDE folks to a GNOME event.
Jonathan-Probably not a problem
General Group Comment-Burn out stilll a factor follwing GUADEC.
Bill-Still thinks separate conference is the best.
Randy-Agrees.
Location:
Janina-Hawaii? NSF money should be ok.
Doug-Talked with Neil, he is investigating lodging to get us better rates.
Doug-Hawaii-From Neil $40 a night for lodging. $300-800 round trip out there, depending on location.
when:
Janina- April open. May has two conferences. June pretty wide open.
Janina-Likes April.
Doug-If April August Linux World may be a good idea.
Janina-Shoot for April?
Jonathan-Out of town starting April 28 but the rest looks ok.
Doug-Purpose and goals for this meeting? This has to go in NSF write up
Who will be there:
Janina-Who do we need to bring? Want most bang for buck from NSF. Does this seem reasonable?
Doug-Is this within the (NSF) budget?
Janina-Believes so
Janina-We need to determine the topics
Doug-Travel budgets of companies?
Peter-Has to check.
Jonathan-Maybe. May be tough to sell management on Hawaii.
Doug-Maybe best to start with who else can go?
Peter-Michael Meeks
Gunnar-Believes we need to invite some one from Trolltech, especially if we are going to be talking AT-SPI.
Doug-Aaron Seigo from KDE may be a good idea.
Willy-Mario Lang from Debian.
Janina-Any one else dealt with small Prague company called Braille Com (spelling?). They've built another interface on Emacs.
Peter-Send info on this company to list?
Janina-Sure.
Janina to be given action item to send this info to the list. (see items above)
Doug-John Goldthwaite?
Janina-Definitely. We need John.
More individuals:
Janina-Do we need a strategy to start mining other folks to do work?
Randy-Not a bad idea.
Janina-Do we re-articulate things that might have engineering work opportunities? We want to work with folks?
Doug-How about we make our face to face a Brainstorming opportunity?
Janina-We have an action item to put together a statement helping folks to come and Brainstorm. Contact us if they are interested in doing a Brainstorming session?
Doug-Don't put in some one will pay for them or where. Those who want to input email back to Janina. Then we can look at the sincere ones?
Janina-Willl post to Accessibility list. Will give approximate dates.
Doug-Could be kickoff for getting year 2 and 3 stuff moving.
Agenda for face to face:
Janina-Agenda for this meeting. How will it go?
Peter-Not sure will have enough folks for formal plenaries.
Doug-If we get enough of the right folks to expand topics.
Bill- We need to get as much done as we can on year 1 items.
Janina-Agrees. Want stuff at least rolling.
bill-Road map on year 2 items also.
bill-First is more concrete, second will be brainstorming.
Janina-Folks for brainstorming session may not have to be at meeting as long.
Randy-Could save on lodging for some, and thus slim budgets.
Doug-First Brainstorming and then the year 1 folks can stay longer.
Janina-Will be able to have a meeting. May be easier to start Brainstorming and work backwards.
Bill-Brainstorming could expand to fill all available time. Want concrete finalization of year 1 items. Break the day up between the two.
Janina wants to see these two things happen at the end of this face to face:
1. Wants year one groups to really have made some progress. Can see that really moving forward
2. Year 2: Brainstorming on what kind of coarse grained things can be written. What do we want money for.
Randy-Makes sense, and can't we do some of these items in Parallel, or do we want the entire core group available for every single meeting?
Bill-Strictly parallel would break down. But might be able to break out.
Peter-Didn't think a completely parallel setup would work, with year 1 parallel to year 2.
Has no problem with break-out sessions.
Bill-For instance the device io stuff could be taking place same time as discussion keyboard accessibility.
NSF Proposal:
Janina-Do we have list of things we need to address in the NSF "2-pager"
Doug-Listing specific meetings, Cost estimates. People and why. Initial list of attendees will be needed.
Other stake holders to invite:
Peter- Baum, UToronto... Will take action item to list all of the stake holders.
Bill-He thinks it is more important to have people who aren't already part of GNOME.
Janina-Only active folks currently is not good.
Peter-Most important are the toolkit folks. any large aps that are custom.
Bill-Is not sure about that. If some one is already doing that, how much do they get out of this?
Peter-They might contribute experiences as to how they did things.
Janina-We do need some folks who are implementing and doing this now.
Bill-General caution Does not want to be exclusive, but the more people involved the more difficult it will be to begin moving forward.
Doug-Touch on areas that could bennifit from Kernel folks like Alan Cox and Willy from Debian?
Willy-Mario knows more about general Accessibility.
What next:
Bill-Do we postpone year 2 discussions?
Janina-Need to start thinking about this now. The overall point is recruitment.
Janina-Do we start to think about year 2 in general?
Doug-That other year 1 work has gone to sub-committee. This more general. Sub-teams can req times on the agenda if needed.
Janina-These groups may need to be pinned down further.
Next up: Year 1 re-visited. and how to start organizing for year 2?
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