[Accessibility] FSGA meeting notes,
4Jan05 (the birthday of Loius Braille)
Peter.Korn at Sun.COM
Wed Jan 4 13:33:51 PST 2006
Here are my rough notes from our meeting earlier today.
Janina: thinks we have minutes from Dec. Anyone else recall?
Earl: that was last year
Janina: but not yet approved... any objections?
Janina: will ask George to post them (AI for him). Heard from IBM that
they're all off in a meeting, so we'll perhaps be a tad on the shorter
side. Agenda items are:
- Earl's keyboard stuff
- we divvy up remaining announcements/lists to go out
- also start the discussion for our plans for the coming year; our next
Anything to add?
NSF grant: still not in because the troll through the financial records
identified 1 to 2 folks who should get paid. Still have some $$ left.
Secretary for FSG is out, so will wait. Still owe Jonathan Blandford an
airline ticket. Secondary one is for Janina to submit a bill putting
together the audio archives back in March. Since we have the funds to
Peter: thinks that is fair - suggests that this be recorded in minutes,
and if approved next week we consider it done and pay Janina for her
audio archives work.
Olaf: wondering if it makes sense to add FSG to the discussion happening
on OSDL about a general cooperation among OOo, KDE, GNOME, Freedesktop.
Wonders if he should push for adding a11y.
Peter/Bill - none of us has seen this
Janina: don't send Olaf's message to the publicly archived list, but to
individuals (where it isn't archived).
Peter: knows that Leon Shiman attended the meeting and wanted to raise
Peter: thinks it makes sense for Olaf to raise a11y, circulate info to
key FSGA members to see the document.
Olaf: will tell the OSDL folks about a11y, will ask them to send their
document to FSGA. Not a statemently about a11y, but about general
Olaf: not sure who from the GNOME community was at the summit; if
circulation among the GNOME folks hasn't happened... Will discuss with
Aaron Seigo (who is a KDE EV board member and also attended the FSGA
mtg. in Hawaii).
Janina: excellent, excellent - we have a plan and AIs, we should respond
Janina: FYI w/one more brief item: Janina will present on FSGA in the
Open Source conf. in Spain in mid-February. Will try to meet with ONCE
while there. Theme is freedom & innovation - wants to explore the
tension between those two, and to be responsive to those requirements.
Olaf: background info: in case you meet with ONCE folks, had someone
writing educational software and was looking to get their KDE-based
educational software more in Spain, and ONCE in response tried to
pressure legislators to require GNOME only. Getting them to understand
that we are all cooperating here, it doesn't really need to be pushing
one aside for the other.
Janina: needs to talk along those lines, and the importance of
supporting and using available standards. One thing we might want to
say to the technical folks is to inform folks about the "Many Worlds"
scenario - if you can't build your application with these widgets, at
least tell us why.
Peter: distinction between development & deployment - the ONCE position
seems extreme, but at the same time, it makes total sense to wait on
deployment until such time as KDE 4 is out and works with AT.
Bill: key points: both desktops have roadmaps for the future;
accessibility depends upon the user need; solutions aren't exclusive -
they interoperate. In the real world you don't deploy only KDE and not
GNOME or vice-versa. E.g. full screen magnification in mouse tracking
mode would actually work on the desktop. Things are interoperable with
Peter/Janina: references to Mass - want a more engageing model with KDE
in Spain: that we should be working together to get to the bar that ONCE
sets, rather than either pushing it in when it isn't ready nor blocking
it completely because it isn't ready.
Olaf: best is to have ONCE help Olaf push KDE folks to accellerate their
work. Thanks to Peter for his offer to co-write a letter to ONCE.
Janina: thinks we are doing well pushing our common goal together.
Important to get wider FOSS community that we all need to work together
- not having ghettos of where things work and don't work. Need to build
it in everywhere.
Earl: checked Bugzilla for comments coming back from RFC - no comments
have come in yet. Forwarded it to all of the various aliases we talked
about. Got some feedback from moderator owners saying they will review,
waiting to go through.
Janina: in terms of rejection ones, can we go through that list?
Earl: will try to send the list to the alias
Janina: just read through 'em
Earl: W3C/WAI; KDE-a11y; <section.508 at gsa.gov> [Earl to follow-up here];
(Earl & I can post to the "Trace alias" - <sec508 at trace.wisc.edu> [Earl
to do this]); lynaccess; mozilla-accessibility [Peter to post it there];
gnome-accessibility-list; accessibility at freedesktop.org; ncits_access
[Peter to look at posting here]; [Jania to post to the V2 alias, also to
wider W3C aliases]
Peter: we'd also talked about /.
Janina: submitted it, but not picked up. George to look into this? The
captcha on /. isn't friendly, and the "send e-mail here if you are
blind" hasn't gotten replied to.
Earl: comment period closes Jan 31st. George has the announcement on
the homepage. Final question: should we do a follow-up with these
Peter: suggests a week or two prior to the close; no less than 7 days,
no more than 15 prior.
Janina: not a lot more to report on. Do we want to start talking about
2006? Perhaps at the desktop developers conf. in July in Canada - Linux
desktop developers, and one week on either side is a kernel developers
mtg.. Is that appropriate timing? Appropriate financing same as in Hawaii?
Earl: would like to do this earlier, at CSUN perhaps? Have the keyboard
announcement at CSUN?
Peter: thinks having folks who are going to be at CSUN to get together
there, push a keyboard press release, but not a multi-day meeting
Earl: put out a flyer, etc. Use NSF funding for this?
Peter: first against it, but now started talking himself into stuffing a
press-release into every bag on this. Peter getting the AI to talk with
CSUN staff about this; also saying something about FSGA.
Janina: want to also get the message out to developers in the July
Canada meeting. Initially George's suggestion; could perhaps get
funding to support us there.
Peter: thinks it is worth investigating more.
Janina: to send URL of the conf. to the FSGA list.
Janina: main topic this summer is AT-SPI
Bill: thinks a face-to-face would be very nice, but much of July is
out. Other thing to consider is where we meet - if we go for NSF
funding do we need to meet in the U.S.? [Janina: yes]
Janina: if we met in Canada, maybe go for Canadian funding. Perhaps
Jutta? Janina has the AI to flesh this out more.
Peter: <gave a quick Mass summary/update>
Olaf: found a link to the draft OSDL statement, so he will forward the
link for FSGA review.
More information about the Accessibility