[Accessibility] minutes Open A11y Telecon 2010-01-12

Gregory J. Rosmaita oedipus at hicom.net
Tue Jan 12 21:59:38 PST 2010


minutes from the 12 January 2010 Open Accessibility Workgroup 
teleconference are available as hypertext at:


and as plain text following my signature.  as usual, please report any 
errors, mis-attributions, corrections, additions, and clarifications by 
replying-to this announcement on-list.

the next Open A11y Workgroup Conference call will be held at 1600h UTC 
on 26 January 2010 - find the meeting time and date in your time zone 
using the following link:


a preliminary agenda for the 26 January 2010 Open A11y Conference call 
can be found at:


thank you, gregory.


Open A11y Workgroup Conference Call (12 January 2010)

  NOTE: These minutes have not yet been finalized. 

Preliminary Items

* Janina Sajka (JS/chair) 
   * Pete Brunet (PB) 
   * Gregory J. Rosmaita (GJR/scribe) 
   * Brad Taylor (BT) 
   * Will Walker (WW) 
   * Jeremy Whiting (JW) 
       * regrets: Mike Gorse (MG)


  JS: Janina Sajka, chair of Open Accessibility Workgroup of the LF, 
  chair of the PFWG at the W3C; experience in standards development and 
  IT deployment; professional and consumer of technology 
    * http://www.w3.org/wai/pf

  GJR: vice-chair, webmaster and listmaster Open Accessibility 
  Workgroup; been in standards setting organizations for 15 years; 
  umbillically connected to computer and assistive technology 
    * http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/User:Oedipus

  WW: Will Walker, maintainer of Orca; also work on general GNOME 
    * http://live.gnome.org/Orca

  PB: chair of IAccessible SIG; worked for IBM's Accessibility Group; 
  using IA2 to extend capabilities of MSAA -- dramatically improved 
  accessibility over MSAA; currently working with the Adaptive 
  Technology Resource Centre (ATRC) at the University of Toronto to come 
  up with Java Access Bridge that complies with IA2 and developments 
  since original accessbridge deployment 
    * http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/IAccessible2 
    * http://atrc.utoronto.ca/

  BT: software manager for Novell; mono port and accessibility team; 
  working on bridges, interfaces, EDK for moonlight -- first accessible 
  flash-type plug-in for linux 
    * http://mono-project.com/Accessibility

  PB: anything being done client side for UI interface?

  BT: take fully managed AT for windows, drop into linux and run

  PB: current capability?

  BT: testing; porting UIAVerify (test tool and GUI from Microsoft) to 
  read ATK applications; also using White, a testing library, which is a 
  very useful testing tool for windows; can take white and drop windows 
  app into linux and test 
    * http://www.codeplex.com/UIAutomationVerify 
    * http://www.codeplex.com/white

  JW: Jeremy Whiting; working on KDE for 4 years; architectural speech 
  team that developed [ SpeechDispatcher]; not a user of AT, but do 
  listen to IRC during the day to keep in touch with KDE Speech Users 

For Reference

* Agenda for the 12 January 2010 Open A11y Call 

Announcements & News

AT-SPI2 0.1.5 Available for Download (2010-01-11)

  AT-SPI2 is a D-Bus based accessibility framework. It defines a D-Bus 
  protocol for providing and accessing application accessibility 
  information. The project includes a library for bridging the D-Bus 
  protocol to the ATK API, allowing Gtk based applications to be made 
  accessible. It also contains a client (AT) side library in Python.

  AT-SPI2, version 0.1.5 is available for download at: 
    * http://download.gnome.org/sources/pyatspi/0.1/ 
    * http://download.gnome.org/sources/at-spi2-core/0.1/ 
    * http://download.gnome.org/sources/at-spi2-atk/0.1/

AT-SPI2 0.1.5 Release Notes

  This is a development release of AT-SPI2, it has some unfinished 

  A list of work required before a full release can be found at:


  For more information about the release of AT-SPI2 0.1.5, please 
  consult the accessibility at lists.linuxfoundation.org archive, in 


Meeting Minutes

Topic 1: AT-SPI on D-Bus Port: Progress and Issues

    * AT-SPI on D-Bus Port wiki page last updated 30 October 2009 by 
      Mike Gorse 
         + MikeG is maintaining the AT-SPI on D-Bus Port wiki page, and 
           will add info about AT-SPI2 development releases to the D-Bus 
           wiki page

Discussion of Topic 1: D-Bus Port Update

  WW: talked to MarkD about release that just went out; working on bug 
  that cropped up with leasing model; going to be working on fixing 
  that; almost functionally complete -- need to build and debug and 

  WW: worked with JW last week getting things to run on KDE, need more 
  testing and bug filing from Jeremy

  WW: imperative that we start trying to grow out number of people using 
  D-Bus and get as many bugs and fixes

  WW: have to update CORBA to D-Bus mapping wiki page -- a lot of 
  questions about coexistence of CORBA and D-Bus need to address

  WW: just need to keep on hammering away; let's grow the number of 
  people testing the D-Bus port; why i wanted to get JW involved testing 
  on KDE

  JS: looking forward to driving KDE apps with Orca

  JS: long awaited development

  WW: referred Jeremy to mechanics of GNOME accessibility document -- if 
  can figure out how maps to KDE, could use as basis for saying here is 
  what you need

  JS: freeswitch is planning to build GUI interface for managing 
  telephony in QT4.6

Topic 2: Open Accessibility Document Licensing

  JS: meeting with KarenC and Andrew Kirkpatrick of Adobe and Adobe's 
  main standards person; tight timeline on update about licensing and 
  AIA; agreed on what Adobe needs in order to support IA2

  JS: agreed if necessary can go out with BSD license and then 
  re-certify; would be best to get Microsoft on board for a single 
  release, one announcement, so development can move forward in tandem

  JS: the test that one needs to pass to qualify for the phrase in the 
  Microsoft Community Promise that one has implemented the spec properly 
  and hence qualify for free usage

  PB: Microsoft requested that we add 2 methods, but they seem to be the 
  only consumer for them at present -- going to take work to change 
  headers and rebuild files and everything

  JS: Adobe not using 2 methods yet, just what is in IA2 1.0.2

  PB: IA2 files currently have LGPL2 statements; need to know Adobe's 
  and MS' schedule so can change IA2 documentation

  GJR: PB, please email me details of what needs to be changed and i can 
  tweak doxygen templates for 2 potentialities 

New Business

CSUN 2010

  JS: who will be at CSUN 2010?

  WW: i shall; Eitan Isaacson organizing a GNOME access 
  meeting/hack-fest; trying to get some people funding in order to 
  attend; goal: exposing more mainstream developers to accessibility so 
  can make accessibility part of daily discipline

  JS: recommend JW attend; unique opportunity to learn and network

Identify Topics for Remaining January 2010 Teleconferences

  JS: do we need to meet next week 19 January 2010?

  WW: vote to skip a week; have to hammer away on bugs; day-to-day 
  engagement; don't think need to regroup

  PB: ok with skipping 19 January as long as keep hammering on LF for 

  RESOLVED: no meeting 19 January 2010; next Open Accessibility 
  Workgroup call will be held on 26 January 2010

Wrap Up

    * meeting adjourned 1644h UTC 
    * next Open A11y conference call: 2010-01-26 

Retrieved from: 
* http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Minutes20100112

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