[Accessibility] minutes Open A11y call 2011-03-08 [draft]

Gregory J. Rosmaita oedipus at hicom.net
Tue Mar 8 12:00:39 PST 2011


aloha!

minutes from the 8 March 2011 Open Accessiblity Teleconference 
are available as hypertext at:

http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Minutes20110308

and as plain text following this announcement -- please log any 
errors, corrections, clarifications, mis-attributions and the
like by replying-to this announcement on-list

IMPORTANT LOGISTICAL NOTE: due to CSUN 2011, there will NOT be a 
meeting on 15 March 2011; the next scheduled Open A11y meeting 
will be held on 22 March 2011

http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Agenda20110322#Agenda

IA2 SIG UPDATE: on 3 March 2011 the latest version of IAccessible2
(version 1.2.1) was released and is available at:

http://a11y.org/ia2-spec

congratulations to Pete Brunet and the IA2 SIG for all of their
hard work on IA2

gregory.

    _________________________________________________________________

Open A11y Working Group Conference Call (8 March 2011)

Retrieved from:
   http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Minutes20110308

Contents

1 Open A11y Working Group Conference Call (8 March 2011)

   1.1 Preliminary Items
       1.1.1 Participants
       1.1.2 For Reference
             1.1.2.1 Agenda
       1.1.3 Approval of Past Minutes
             1.1.4 Announcements

   1.2 Meeting Minutes
       1.2.1 Topic 1: ISO Update: Document Status and Remaining
             Work
             1.2.1.1 Peter Korn's Proposed Definitions for CORBA, 
                     D-Bus, and GNOME
             1.2.2 Topic 2: Mapping ARIA to ATK/AT-SPI
             1.2.3 TOPIC 3: 21st Century Video and Communications 
                   Act Review
   1.3 Wrap Up

Preliminary Items

Participants:

* Janina Sajka (JS/chair)
    * Pete Bruent (PB)
    * Mike Gorse (MG)
    * Peter Korn (PK)
    * Gregory J. Rosmaita (GJR/scribe)
         * regrets: none logged

For Reference

Agenda
    * Agenda for the 8 March 2011 Open A11y Call
    * http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Agenda20110308

Announcements

  Due to CSUN 2011, there will NOT be an Open A11y Call on 15 March
  2011; the next scheduled Open A11y Call will be held on 22 March 2011.
    _________________________________________________________________

Meeting Minutes

Topic 1: ISO Update: Document Status and Remaining Work

FOR REFERENCE:

* Agenda for 8 March 2011/ISO Update (Janina Sajka)
https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/accessibility/2011-March/002710.html

    * Updated drafts of the ISO document are available in tex,
      xhtml, odf, and pdf:
         * http://rednote.net/iso.html
         * http://rednote.net/iso.pdf
         * http://rednote.net/iso.odt
         * http://rednote.net/iso.tex

* Re: Agenda for 8 March 2011/ISO Update (Peter Korn)
https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/accessibility/2011-March/002711.html

Peter Korn's Proposed Definitions for CORBA, D-Bus, and GNOME
    * Common Object Request Broker Architecture (CORBA)
         * an inter-process communication standard defined by the 
           Object Management Group that enables software components 
           to communicate with each other across processes, address 
           spaces, and even computers, in an object-to-object 
           fashion

    * D-Bus
         * an inter-process communication technology developed by
           freedesktop.org that is the de facto standard of Linux / 
           UNIX graphical environments

    * GNOME
         * formerly an acronym meaning "GNU Network Object Model
           Environment", it is both a common and accessible graphical
           desktop for Linux / UNIX graphical environments, as well as
           an open source project delivering a collection of software
           libraries and applications

  JS: assigned individuals to review our document; received number of
  comments; began to make changes

  JS: question about copyright -- can open a11y keep a copy of this
  document ourselves - MG pointed out is one of best introduction to the
  technology

  JS: said at meeting, if open a11y published doc as submit to ISO, then
  on separate path, but open a11y owns copyright, so if copyright and
  submit copyrighted version to ISO -- may diverge, but 2 other modules
  (UIA and IA2) will not diverge -- no comments when ballot taken;
  advantage of owning copyright on it means we can change content if
  necessary -- probably will be necessary -- things happen faster than
  ISO time clock

  JS: tricky part -- comments on ISO document -- process: committee
  reviewed document, gave specific suggestions for changes, nothing
  dramatic; requested to make changes and get final draft into ISO
  secretariat for SC35 (in france) -- deadline: mid-May 2011 -- gives
  them time to reformat to their "specifications" (convert to word
  format and ISO-formatted version to distribute to all national bodies
  in time for voting before next SC35 meeting slated for August 2011; if
  approved in August, becomes an ISO technical report;

  PB: IBM did document on IA2?

  JS: yes

  JS: asked Andi Snow-Weaver if could do same thing with that document
  -- she indicated "too late in process to get necessary sign-offs in
  IBM"
    * TR13066-3 is IAccessible2 (ASW of IBM)
    * TR13066-2 is UIAutomation (Microsoft)

  PB: is IAccessible a.k.a. MSAA included in IA2 document IBM did for
  ISO?

  JS: referenced, but not discussed in any great degree

  PK: reviewing document now -- document doesn't describe API in detail
  -- links out to programming documentation for windows desktop --
  describes in general MSAA server model, etc.; all using same style
  guide: "this is how role/state boundaries are supported"

  PB: references to MSAA documentation?

  PK: yes

  JS: comments: definitions need to be consistently formatted; suggested
  that longer definitions/explanatory part might drop into footnotes;
  significant concern about diagrams displaced in document, not where
  discussed -- by-product of LaTeX (not uncommon problem); like to try
  to get changes recommended incorporated into document by next week

  JS: another comment: descriptions of diagrams didn't always use same
  terms that are in the diagrams; need to ensure that they are sync-ed
  up and contain identical wording

  PK: which is most up-to-date?

  JS: http://rednote.net/iso.tex or http://rednote.net/iso.pdf (22
  February 2011)

  PK: created own definitions
    * Common Object Request Broker Architecture (CORBA): an
      inter-process communication standard defined by the Object
      Management Group that enables software components to communicate
      with each other across processes, address spaces, and even
      computers , in an object-to-object fashion
    * D-Bus: an inter-process communication technology developed by
      freedesktop.org that is the de facto standard of Linux / UNIX
      graphical environments
    * GNOME: formerly an acronym meaning "GNU Network Object Model
      Environment", it is both a common and accessible graphical desktop
      for Linux / UNIX graphical environments, as well as an open source
      project delivering a collection of software libraries and
      applications

  JS: is corporate stuff distracting

  GJR: could hand of to an appendix that list corporate info

  JS: prefer use of footnote

  JS: need to read through PKorn's document to sync them up -- no one
  complained about AT-SPI terseness, but wonder if might be too terse

  PK: came up with a diagram -- completely different style

  JS: can PKorn send me latest copy

  PK: waiting for one more round of internal review (required)

  PB: would like to review IA2 documentation

  JS: confirmed that these are public documents as long as they are
  drafts

  GJR: who maintains the IA2 ISO doc?

  JS: Andi Snow-Weaver of IBM

  GJR: PeteB you might want to contact ASW directly
    _________________________________________________________________

Topic 2: Mapping ARIA to ATK/AT-SPI

FOR REFERENCE:
 * WAI-ARIA 1.0 Candidate Recommendation Draft (2011-01-18)
   http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/CR-wai-aria-20110118/

   * WAI-ARIA 1.0 Authoring Practices: An Author's Guide to
     Understanding and Implementing WAI-ARIA (latest editor's
     draft)
     http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/

   * WAI-ARIA User Agent Implementation Guide (latest editor's
     draft)
     http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/

   * HTML to Platform Accessibility APIs Implementation Guide a
     user agent developer's guide to understanding and implementing 
     accessibility support in HTML
     http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-api-map/overview.html

  JS: David Bolter created them inside of FireFox -- great that are
  mapped, but is that where info should be -- should be more at API
  level than wed to particular UA so all UAs can take advantage of them

  PK: look at work going on in WebKit/GTK -- exposing events for Orca,
  work fairly well together

  JS: is that the richer model that ARIA requires?

  PK: don't know details -- focused on GNOME desktops -- don't know
  status of ARIA support for Webkit

  GJR: need RichS input on this

  JS: yes, adding that to what is available to us moving ARIA from CR to
  PF

  PK: to what extent does ARIA event model make sense outside of web --
  if does, then makes sense, if not, doesn't

  PK: ARIA concepts very useful concepts

  MG: wonder if always mapping or if there are roles that don't have
  mapping

  MG: can ping dave or fernando -- may want to explore at may 2011
  hackfest

  PK: makes a lot of sense

  MG: if they are significant need for this can schedule a dial-in
  session for that

  JS: may be predicated on how many people need it -- someone with SIP
  on laptop can provide teleconference facilities
    _________________________________________________________________

TOPIC 3: 21st Century Video and Communications Act Review

FOR REFERENCE:
 * The main NPRM on Advanced Communication (PDF file)
  
http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0303/FCC-11-37A1.pdf

 * Video Description NPRM (PDF file) contains scanned images in
   Appendix C
  
http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0303/FCC-11-36A1.pdf

 * Telecommunications Relay Fund NPRM (PDF file)
  
http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0303/FCC-11-38A1.pdf

  PK: President Obama signed 21st century video and communications act;
  last friday, FCC published 3 notices of proposed rule-making -- 300
  pages worth of RPM in 3 document with 30 day turnaround

  PK: might be interesting to review section around events and
  notifications; also section on telecommunications probably of interest
  to JS -- congress directed FCC to do this for interconnected and
  non-interconnected VOIP -- freeswitch.rednote.net would thus have to
  pay -- general question about free software services and
  laws/regulations made by sole monopoly AT&T

  PK: real-time text for at least (next generation) 911 calls
  (electronic and voice)

  PK: will asterisk need to support that? acquires audio portion of SIP
  connection

  JS: tend not to have omnibus applications in linux environment

  PK: what impact does this have on open source community

  PK: advanced communications: propose covers not just SMS, IRC but also
  email, arguing every app should be accessible ,so when buying phone
  that does SMS or email, needs to have built-in AT; but if on desktop,
  what does "built-in" mean? whole model of desktop integration not
  understood by politicians when law drafted

  PK: pleased to see work by CodeFactory in this area -- they submitted
  comment to FCC stressing importance of a11y APIs

FOR REFERENCE: CodeFactory products include:

    * Mobile Accessibility
      http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=415

    * TV speak
      http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=416

    * Mobile Speak
      http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=316

         + MobileSpeak 4
           http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=318

    * Mobile Magnifier
      http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=312

    * Mobile DAISY player
      http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=314

    * Color Recognizer
      http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=315

    _________________________________________________________________

Wrap Up

    * meeting adjourned 1657h UTC

    * next Open A11y conference call: 2011-03-22
      http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Agenda20110322

    _________________________________________________________________
 
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