[Accessibility] minutes Open A11y call 2011-03-08 [draft]
Peter Korn
peter.korn at oracle.com
Tue Mar 8 12:21:17 PST 2011
Gregory,
Some correction to the minutes. In Topic 3:
* /*PK:* might be interesting to review section around events and
notifications; also section on telecommunications probably of
interest to JS -- congress directed FCC to do this for
interconnected and non-interconnected VOIP --
freeswitch.rednote.net would thus have to pay -- general question
about free software services and laws/regulations made by sole
monopoly AT&T /
should be:
* *PK:* might be interesting to review section around events and
notifications; also section on telecommunications *relay fund*
probably of interest to JS -- congress directed FCC to *have this
cover* interconnected and non-interconnected VOIP --
freeswitch.rednote.net would thus *potentially* have to pay *into
this fund *-- general question about free software services *as
these *laws/regulations *were *made *years ago, when the only
telco was *monopoly AT&T
* /*PK:* will asterisk need to support that? acquires audio portion
of SIP connection /
should be:
* *PK:* will asterisk need to support that? *requires *audio portion
of SIP connection
* /*PK:* advanced communications: propose covers not just SMS, IRC
but also email, arguing every app should be accessible ,so when
buying phone that does SMS or email, needs to have built-in AT;
but if on desktop, what does "built-in" mean? whole model of
desktop integration not understood by politicians when law drafted /
should be:
* *PK:* advanced communications: *NPRM appears to see this term
*cover*ing* not just SMS, *IM *but also email, *and by the law,
every advanced communication *app should be accessible, so when
buying phone that does SMS or email, *it should potentially *have
built-in AT; but if on desktop, what does "built-in" mean? *our
*model of desktop *accessibility: platform, app, accessibility
framework, and AT* not *encompassed *by law *when *drafted
Regards,
Peter
On 3/8/2011 12:00 PM, Gregory J. Rosmaita wrote:
> aloha!
>
> minutes from the 8 March 2011 Open Accessiblity Teleconference
> are available as hypertext at:
>
> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Minutes20110308
>
> and as plain text following this announcement -- please log any
> errors, corrections, clarifications, mis-attributions and the
> like by replying-to this announcement on-list
>
> IMPORTANT LOGISTICAL NOTE: due to CSUN 2011, there will NOT be a
> meeting on 15 March 2011; the next scheduled Open A11y meeting
> will be held on 22 March 2011
>
> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Agenda20110322#Agenda
>
>
> IA2 SIG UPDATE: on 3 March 2011 the latest version of IAccessible2
> (version 1.2.1) was released and is available at:
>
> http://a11y.org/ia2-spec
>
> congratulations to Pete Brunet and the IA2 SIG for all of their
> hard work on IA2
>
> gregory.
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
> Open A11y Working Group Conference Call (8 March 2011)
>
> Retrieved from:
> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Minutes20110308
>
> Contents
>
> 1 Open A11y Working Group Conference Call (8 March 2011)
>
> 1.1 Preliminary Items
> 1.1.1 Participants
> 1.1.2 For Reference
> 1.1.2.1 Agenda
> 1.1.3 Approval of Past Minutes
> 1.1.4 Announcements
>
> 1.2 Meeting Minutes
> 1.2.1 Topic 1: ISO Update: Document Status and Remaining
> Work
> 1.2.1.1 Peter Korn's Proposed Definitions for CORBA,
> D-Bus, and GNOME
> 1.2.2 Topic 2: Mapping ARIA to ATK/AT-SPI
> 1.2.3 TOPIC 3: 21st Century Video and Communications
> Act Review
> 1.3 Wrap Up
>
>
> Preliminary Items
>
>
> Participants:
>
> * Janina Sajka (JS/chair)
> * Pete Bruent (PB)
> * Mike Gorse (MG)
> * Peter Korn (PK)
> * Gregory J. Rosmaita (GJR/scribe)
> * regrets: none logged
>
> For Reference
>
> Agenda
> * Agenda for the 8 March 2011 Open A11y Call
> *
> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Agenda20110308
>
> Announcements
>
> Due to CSUN 2011, there will NOT be an Open A11y Call on 15 March
> 2011; the next scheduled Open A11y Call will be held on 22 March 2011.
> _________________________________________________________________
>
> Meeting Minutes
>
>
> Topic 1: ISO Update: Document Status and Remaining Work
>
> FOR REFERENCE:
>
> * Agenda for 8 March 2011/ISO Update (Janina Sajka)
> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/accessibility/2011-March/002710.html
>
>
> * Updated drafts of the ISO document are available in tex,
> xhtml, odf, and pdf:
> * http://rednote.net/iso.html
> * http://rednote.net/iso.pdf
> * http://rednote.net/iso.odt
> * http://rednote.net/iso.tex
>
> * Re: Agenda for 8 March 2011/ISO Update (Peter Korn)
> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/accessibility/2011-March/002711.html
>
>
> Peter Korn's Proposed Definitions for CORBA, D-Bus, and GNOME
> * Common Object Request Broker Architecture (CORBA)
> * an inter-process communication standard defined by the
> Object Management Group that enables software components
> to communicate with each other across processes, address
> spaces, and even computers, in an object-to-object
> fashion
>
> * D-Bus
> * an inter-process communication technology developed by
> freedesktop.org that is the de facto standard of Linux /
> UNIX graphical environments
>
> * GNOME
> * formerly an acronym meaning "GNU Network Object Model
> Environment", it is both a common and accessible graphical
> desktop for Linux / UNIX graphical environments, as well as
> an open source project delivering a collection of software
> libraries and applications
>
> JS: assigned individuals to review our document; received number of
> comments; began to make changes
>
> JS: question about copyright -- can open a11y keep a copy of this
> document ourselves - MG pointed out is one of best introduction to the
> technology
>
> JS: said at meeting, if open a11y published doc as submit to ISO, then
> on separate path, but open a11y owns copyright, so if copyright and
> submit copyrighted version to ISO -- may diverge, but 2 other modules
> (UIA and IA2) will not diverge -- no comments when ballot taken;
> advantage of owning copyright on it means we can change content if
> necessary -- probably will be necessary -- things happen faster than
> ISO time clock
>
> JS: tricky part -- comments on ISO document -- process: committee
> reviewed document, gave specific suggestions for changes, nothing
> dramatic; requested to make changes and get final draft into ISO
> secretariat for SC35 (in france) -- deadline: mid-May 2011 -- gives
> them time to reformat to their "specifications" (convert to word
> format and ISO-formatted version to distribute to all national bodies
> in time for voting before next SC35 meeting slated for August 2011; if
> approved in August, becomes an ISO technical report;
>
> PB: IBM did document on IA2?
>
> JS: yes
>
> JS: asked Andi Snow-Weaver if could do same thing with that document
> -- she indicated "too late in process to get necessary sign-offs in
> IBM"
> * TR13066-3 is IAccessible2 (ASW of IBM)
> * TR13066-2 is UIAutomation (Microsoft)
>
> PB: is IAccessible a.k.a. MSAA included in IA2 document IBM did for
> ISO?
>
> JS: referenced, but not discussed in any great degree
>
> PK: reviewing document now -- document doesn't describe API in detail
> -- links out to programming documentation for windows desktop --
> describes in general MSAA server model, etc.; all using same style
> guide: "this is how role/state boundaries are supported"
>
> PB: references to MSAA documentation?
>
> PK: yes
>
> JS: comments: definitions need to be consistently formatted; suggested
> that longer definitions/explanatory part might drop into footnotes;
> significant concern about diagrams displaced in document, not where
> discussed -- by-product of LaTeX (not uncommon problem); like to try
> to get changes recommended incorporated into document by next week
>
> JS: another comment: descriptions of diagrams didn't always use same
> terms that are in the diagrams; need to ensure that they are sync-ed
> up and contain identical wording
>
> PK: which is most up-to-date?
>
> JS: http://rednote.net/iso.tex or http://rednote.net/iso.pdf (22
> February 2011)
>
> PK: created own definitions
> * Common Object Request Broker Architecture (CORBA): an
> inter-process communication standard defined by the Object
> Management Group that enables software components to communicate
> with each other across processes, address spaces, and even
> computers , in an object-to-object fashion
> * D-Bus: an inter-process communication technology developed by
> freedesktop.org that is the de facto standard of Linux / UNIX
> graphical environments
> * GNOME: formerly an acronym meaning "GNU Network Object Model
> Environment", it is both a common and accessible graphical desktop
> for Linux / UNIX graphical environments, as well as an open source
> project delivering a collection of software libraries and
> applications
>
> JS: is corporate stuff distracting
>
> GJR: could hand of to an appendix that list corporate info
>
> JS: prefer use of footnote
>
> JS: need to read through PKorn's document to sync them up -- no one
> complained about AT-SPI terseness, but wonder if might be too terse
>
> PK: came up with a diagram -- completely different style
>
> JS: can PKorn send me latest copy
>
> PK: waiting for one more round of internal review (required)
>
> PB: would like to review IA2 documentation
>
> JS: confirmed that these are public documents as long as they are
> drafts
>
> GJR: who maintains the IA2 ISO doc?
>
> JS: Andi Snow-Weaver of IBM
>
> GJR: PeteB you might want to contact ASW directly
> _________________________________________________________________
>
> Topic 2: Mapping ARIA to ATK/AT-SPI
>
> FOR REFERENCE:
> * WAI-ARIA 1.0 Candidate Recommendation Draft (2011-01-18)
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/CR-wai-aria-20110118/
>
> * WAI-ARIA 1.0 Authoring Practices: An Author's Guide to
> Understanding and Implementing WAI-ARIA (latest editor's
> draft)
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/
>
> * WAI-ARIA User Agent Implementation Guide (latest editor's
> draft)
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/
>
> * HTML to Platform Accessibility APIs Implementation Guide a
> user agent developer's guide to understanding and implementing
> accessibility support in HTML
> http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-api-map/overview.html
>
> JS: David Bolter created them inside of FireFox -- great that are
> mapped, but is that where info should be -- should be more at API
> level than wed to particular UA so all UAs can take advantage of them
>
> PK: look at work going on in WebKit/GTK -- exposing events for Orca,
> work fairly well together
>
> JS: is that the richer model that ARIA requires?
>
> PK: don't know details -- focused on GNOME desktops -- don't know
> status of ARIA support for Webkit
>
> GJR: need RichS input on this
>
> JS: yes, adding that to what is available to us moving ARIA from CR to
> PF
>
> PK: to what extent does ARIA event model make sense outside of web --
> if does, then makes sense, if not, doesn't
>
> PK: ARIA concepts very useful concepts
>
> MG: wonder if always mapping or if there are roles that don't have
> mapping
>
> MG: can ping dave or fernando -- may want to explore at may 2011
> hackfest
>
> PK: makes a lot of sense
>
> MG: if they are significant need for this can schedule a dial-in
> session for that
>
> JS: may be predicated on how many people need it -- someone with SIP
> on laptop can provide teleconference facilities
> _________________________________________________________________
>
> TOPIC 3: 21st Century Video and Communications Act Review
>
> FOR REFERENCE:
> * The main NPRM on Advanced Communication (PDF file)
>
> http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0303/FCC-11-37A1.pdf
>
>
> * Video Description NPRM (PDF file) contains scanned images in
> Appendix C
>
> http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0303/FCC-11-36A1.pdf
>
>
> * Telecommunications Relay Fund NPRM (PDF file)
>
> http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0303/FCC-11-38A1.pdf
>
>
> PK: President Obama signed 21st century video and communications act;
> last friday, FCC published 3 notices of proposed rule-making -- 300
> pages worth of RPM in 3 document with 30 day turnaround
>
> PK: might be interesting to review section around events and
> notifications; also section on telecommunications probably of interest
> to JS -- congress directed FCC to do this for interconnected and
> non-interconnected VOIP -- freeswitch.rednote.net would thus have to
> pay -- general question about free software services and
> laws/regulations made by sole monopoly AT&T
>
> PK: real-time text for at least (next generation) 911 calls
> (electronic and voice)
>
> PK: will asterisk need to support that? acquires audio portion of SIP
> connection
>
> JS: tend not to have omnibus applications in linux environment
>
> PK: what impact does this have on open source community
>
> PK: advanced communications: propose covers not just SMS, IRC but also
> email, arguing every app should be accessible ,so when buying phone
> that does SMS or email, needs to have built-in AT; but if on desktop,
> what does "built-in" mean? whole model of desktop integration not
> understood by politicians when law drafted
>
> PK: pleased to see work by CodeFactory in this area -- they submitted
> comment to FCC stressing importance of a11y APIs
>
> FOR REFERENCE: CodeFactory products include:
>
> * Mobile Accessibility
> http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=415
>
> * TV speak
> http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=416
>
> * Mobile Speak
> http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=316
>
> + MobileSpeak 4
> http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=318
>
> * Mobile Magnifier
> http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=312
>
> * Mobile DAISY player
> http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=314
>
> * Color Recognizer
> http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=315
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
> Wrap Up
>
> * meeting adjourned 1657h UTC
>
> * next Open A11y conference call: 2011-03-22
> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Agenda20110322
>
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>
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