[Bitcoin-development] is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?

Dennison Bertram dennison at dennisonbertram.com
Sun Jun 16 15:46:41 UTC 2013

Is there a relatively easy way to switch between Testnet versions in the
client? On the forums I am in discussion with one member who mentioned the
idea of a Main net, a testnet and a "beta-net" where the coins on the
beta-net would be allowed to have value. It seems like simple and logical
way to do this would be something like a "testnet=1, testnetversion=3" in
the bitcoin.conf file. Is this possible?

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Dennison Bertram <
dennison at dennisonbertram.com> wrote:

> Why use ripple and not just use the testnet?
> The advantageous of allowing testnet to be used as an alt-coin are
> That Non standard transactions can be tested in a pseudo live environment
> where because the coins have some nominal value people are incentivized to
> try and steal and come up with clever ways of gamin the system. This sort
> of knowledge would be invaluable if non standard transactions are ever
> going to become a reality on main net.
> It also allows developers a chance to develop in advance new technologies
> and services that currently won't run on bitcoin main net but might be
> enabled in the future at which point they can switch over to main net.
> Additionally without any development happening with non standard
> transactions as currently there is no economic incentive , there might be a
> strong argument to never bother enabling non standard transactions as the
> risk of doing so might not justify in many people's minds  the benefits as
> if no one develops anything in advance  most users might not find the
> theoretical possibilities worth the risk, thus permanently hobbling the
> full potential of satoshis idea. Rather if testnet were allowed to act as
> an alt coin something cool might be developed that the main net users might
> desire enough to overcome the inertia of the status quo.
> Additionally it should be considered that the time in the future when non
> standard transactions might be enabled  might be so far in the future when
> bitcoin has hit mass adoption and changing anything might require far more
> political negotiations between users and devs then currently. Meaning that
> perhaps much more proof of functionality and value as well as testing might
> e required.
> Dennison
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 15, 2013, at 1:18 PM, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> On 19 May 2013 15:23, Adam Back <adam at cypherspace.org> wrote:
>> Is there a way to experiment with new features - eg committed coins - that
>> doesnt involve an altcoin in the conventional sense, and also doesnt
>> impose
>> a big testing burden on bitcoin main which is a security and testing risk?
>> eg lets say some form of merged mine where an alt-coin lets call it
>> bitcoin-staging?  where the coins are the same coins as on bitcoin, the
>> mining power goes to bitcoin main, so some aspect of merged mining, but no
>> native mining.  and ability to use bitcoins by locking them on bitcoin to
>> move them to bitcoin-staging and vice versa (ie exchange them 1:1
>> cryptographically, no exchange).
>> Did anyone figure anything like that out?  Seems vaguely doable and
>> maybe productive.  The only people with coins at risk of defects in a new
>> feature, or insufficiently well tested novel feature are people with coins
>> on bitcoin-staging.
>> Yes I know about bitcoin-test this is not it.  I mean a real live system,
>> with live value, but that is intentionally wanting to avoid forking
>> bitcoins
>> parameters, nor value, nor mindshare dillution.  In this way something
>> potentially interesting could move forward faster, and be les risky to the
>> main bitcoin network.  eg particularly defenses against
>> It might also be a more real world test test (after bitcoin-test) because
>> some parameters are different on test, and some issues may not manifest
>> without more real activity.
>> Then also bitcoin could cherry pick interesting patches and merge them
>> after
>> extensive real-world validation with real-money at stake (by early
>> adopters).
> Interesting idea.  I wonder if ripple could be used to set up a transfer
> system between the 'main' and 'staging' systems ...
>> Adam
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