<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">That’s not exactly what’s happened though, is it Cipher? Gavin put forward 20Mb then after analysis and discussion has moved to 8Mb, whereas the other camp of core developers is firmly stuck in the ‘1Mb or bust’ group.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Rob.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 23 Jul 2015, at 17:50, cipher anthem via bitcoin-dev &lt;<a href="mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" class="">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Verdana;font-size: 12.0px;" class=""><div class="">
<div class="">Why not help on a project that actually seems to offer great scalability like the lightning network? There have been great progress there.</div>

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<div class="">Seems like you did your calculations some time ago to prove that your increase is reasonable, yet when others come with different numbers that don't support your position you say it doesn't matter.</div>

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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;" class=""><b class="">Sent:</b>&nbsp;Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 4:28 PM<br class="">
<b class="">From:</b>&nbsp;"Gavin Andresen via bitcoin-dev" &lt;<a href="mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" class="">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt;<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b>&nbsp;"Tom Harding" &lt;<a href="mailto:tomh@thinlink.com" class="">tomh@thinlink.com</a>&gt;<br class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b>&nbsp;<a href="mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" class="">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b>&nbsp;Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Core and hard forks</div>

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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Tom Harding via bitcoin-dev <span class="">&lt;<a href="x-msg://14/bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target="_parent" class="">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px rgb(204,204,204) solid;padding-left: 1.0ex;"><span class="">On 7/23/2015 5:17 AM, Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev wrote:</span><br class="">
<span class="">&gt; they will simply advance the front and start another battle, because<br class="">
&gt; their true hidden faction is the "not ever side". Please, Jeff, Gavin,<br class="">
&gt; Mike, show me that I'm wrong on this point. Please, answer my question</span><br class="">
<span class="">&gt; this time. If "not now", then when?</span><br class="">
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Bitcoin has all the hash power.&nbsp; The merkle root has effectively<br class="">
infinite capacity.&nbsp; We should be asking HOW to scale the supporting<br class="">
information propagation system appropriately, not WHEN to limit the<br class="">
capacity of the primary time-stamping machine.<br class="">
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We haven't tried yet.&nbsp; I can't answer for the people you asked, but<br class="">
personally I haven't thought much about when we should declare failure.</blockquote>

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<div class="">Yes! Lets plan for success!</div>

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<div class="">I'd really like to move from "IMPOSSIBLE because... &nbsp;(electrum hasn't been optimized</div>

<div class="">(by the way: you should run on SSDs, LevelDB isn't designed for spinning disks),</div>

<div class="">what if the network is attacked? &nbsp;(attacked HOW???), current p2p network is using</div>

<div class="">the simplest, stupidest possible block propagation algorithm...)"</div>

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<div class="">... to "lets work together and work through the problems and scale it up."</div>

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<div class="">I'm frankly tired of all the negativity here; so tired of it I've decided to mostly ignore</div>

<div class="">all the debate for a while, not respond to misinformation I see being spread</div>

<div class="">(like "miners have some incentive to create slow-to-propagate blocks"),</div>

<div class="">work with people like Tom and Mike who have a 'lets get it done' attitude, and</div>

<div class="">focus on what it will take to scale up.</div>

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Gavin Andresen</div>

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