[Bitcoin-ml] bitcoin-ml Digest, Vol 2, Issue 2

Matthew Clancy matthewpclancy at gmail.com
Thu Jul 6 14:36:30 UTC 2017


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I'm not personally convinced that just posting links is useful. How do
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others think about that?
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I'm also not convinced posting links (without text) is useful. I take this
feeling a bit further: I hate links and feel its spam.

Each time someone sends a link and nothing else, I feel like they're subtly
telling everyone that their time is so much more important than list
readers, and that they couldn't be bothered to put in more effort.

Messages should be self contained. If we need to quote someone else, we
should quote them, not spam a link. And a link by itself is 100% useless.
We all have the internet too, and can search if we want.

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>    1. Re: Bitcoin Scalability (Lin Zheming)
>    2. Re: Craig Wright at The Future of Bitcoin Conference      (VIDEO)
>       (Tom Zander)
>    3. What I hope for in this list (Erik Hedman)
>    4. Re: What I hope for in this list (freetrader)
>    5. Re: What I hope for in this list (Tom Zander)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 13:16:48 +0800
> From: Lin Zheming <heater at gmail.com>
> To: Tom Zander <tomz at freedommail.ch>,   Bitcoin and related network
>         protocol discussion     <bitcoin-ml at lists.linuxfoundation.org>
> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-ml] Bitcoin Scalability
> Message-ID: <F1A1AF74-0BCF-438B-8E2A-DF3DA09018A3 at gmail.com>
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> I think it is OK to publish related information for discussion. Whether a
> link or full content don?t bother me.
>
> But full content is better.
>
> LIN Zheming.
>
> ????? iPhone
>
> > ? 2017?6?29??18:03?Tom Zander via bitcoin-ml <bitcoin-ml at lists.
> linuxfoundation.org> ???
> >
> > Hi "Fintech Capital". I'm picking this email, at random to reply to.
> > I would like to think this is a mailinglist for discussion,
> >
> > please don't make it an RSS feed by posting links.
> >
> > If you re-post your own content, I would suggest adding the actual
> textual
> > content in the email.
> >
> > I'm not personally convinced that just posting links is useful. How do
> > others think about that?
> > --
> > Tom Zander
> > Blog: https://zander.github.io
> > Vlog: https://vimeo.com/channels/tomscryptochannel
> > _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2017 09:32:59 +0200
> From: Tom Zander <tomz at freedommail.ch>
> To: bitcoin-ml at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-ml] Craig Wright at The Future of Bitcoin
>         Conference      (VIDEO)
> Message-ID: <4409484.GsoCPV8QkU at cherry>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On Saturday, 1 July 2017 02:32:13 CEST Oliver Petruzel via bitcoin-ml
> wrote:
> > Please stop posting links without adding context, your opinion on the
> > content, or any other worthwhile text that would differentiate your posts
> > from the RSS feeds everyone already receives.
>
> This specific post had a rather long subject, which gave the context.
>
> In general I do agree, this is not an RSS feed.
>  --
> Tom Zander
> Blog: https://zander.github.io
> Vlog: https://vimeo.com/channels/tomscryptochannel
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2017 19:19:34 +0200
> From: Erik Hedman <e at srkrt.se>
> To: bitcoin-ml at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> Subject: [Bitcoin-ml] What I hope for in this list
> Message-ID:
>         <1499015974.1521307.1028119216.0B67CEBE at webmail.
> messagingengine.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> [TL,DR]: FIRST A SUMMARY as I don't want to waste peoples time.
> My hopes is that everybody on this list will try to
> - bring something you created yourself, like a proposal, an idea or a
> question
> - be nice to each other; no name calling; discuss ideas, not people
> - be curious to others ideas and how they came to that conclusion,
> especially if you do not agree
> - accept that other people have other priorities and values, and that
> doesn't mean they are stupid or evil
> - accept that you could be the one that is wrong
>
>
>
>
>
> THIS IS META THOUGHTS ABOUT THE LIST, from my perspective as a
> interested and somewhat knowledgeable non developer. It's what I hope
> the list will be or how we will behave on it, egotistically, so I can
> gain as much possible by reading it. I don't think I will be able, nor
> have the courage, to contribute to the technical discussion, so this
> might be my only post. Hopefully, my hopes for this list coincides with
> yours.
>
> BRING SOMETHING YOU CREATED, LIKE A PROPOSAL, AN IDEA OR A QUESTION. Let
> the primary goal of your posting be to learn something, not to educate
> others. Don't just see this as another channel in which you want to make
> sure that everybody who's in it can't miss what you want them to know,
> and by that spread just statements that does not invite to discussion.
>
> THE PAST IS RARELY RELEVANT. We can't change the past, and we are no
> court of law that has to decide in a trial. Focus on what can be done.
> Discussion about who did, or did not, or said, or said not is not
> fruitful. Although i know that a lot of people have been hurt, and I
> respect that.
>
> DISAGREEMENT IS SELDOM BECAUSE ONE OF YOU ARE WRONG AND THE OTHER RIGHT.
> It's more often that you have different priorities and values. Accept it
> and try to find a way to embrace both paths and how they can complement
> each other. Try put yourself in the other persons place, what would you
> believe if you shared that persons view? Could things that you consider
> a fact, actually be feelings mistaken for facts?
>
> IF YOU DO DISAGREE, try to be curious about why and how the other came
> to that conclusion. Let the goal of the discussion be to get greater
> understanding of the other persons points view, and what the other's
> conclusions is based upon. In my opinion, debates are as useful to a
> discussion as a game of tennis. Ask honest questions, not leading
> questions, and be prepared to be the one who changes ones mind.
>
> USE EXACT DESCRIPTIVE LANGUAGE. To often expressions like "overwhelming
> consensus" is used. If you can't define "overwhelming consensus", don't
> use it because it means different things to everyone. If you can define
> it, use that definition instead. Also words like hard/soft forks are in
> my opinion bad, because they don't describe what it's about.
>
> QUOTE SOURCES when you are stating something that are not your own
> opinion or a very well known fact. By that,  this mailing list can be a
> resource for education.
>
> IF SOMETHING IS YOUR OPINION make sure it's easy to understand that it's
> your opinion (could be done by writing "I think that..." or "I believe
> that...").
>
> /Erik
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 10:30:41 +0200 (CEST)
> From: freetrader <freetrader at tuta.io>
> To: Erik Hedman <e at srkrt.se>, Bitcoin and related network protocol
>         discussion      <bitcoin-ml at lists.linuxfoundation.org>
> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-ml] What I hope for in this list
> Message-ID: <KoBiFyS--3-0 at tuta.io>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi Erik,
>
> Excellent post, actually the best on the list so far.
> Thank you for this.
>
> --
>
> freetrader at tuta.io
>
> GPG fingerprint: CC32 9A4F B0E4 1392 8295? 05FE C07A 7C34 5E86 B06C
>
>
>
> 2. Jul 2017 19:19 by bitcoin-ml at lists.linuxfoundation.org:
>
>
> > [TL,DR]: FIRST A SUMMARY as I don't want to waste peoples time.
> > My hopes is that everybody on this list will try to
> > - bring something you created yourself, like a proposal, an idea or a
> > question
> > - be nice to each other; no name calling; discuss ideas, not people
> > - be curious to others ideas and how they came to that conclusion,
> > especially if you do not agree
> > - accept that other people have other priorities and values, and that
> > doesn't mean they are stupid or evil
> > - accept that you could be the one that is wrong
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > THIS IS META THOUGHTS ABOUT THE LIST, from my perspective as a
> > interested and somewhat knowledgeable non developer. It's what I hope
> > the list will be or how we will behave on it, egotistically, so I can
> > gain as much possible by reading it. I don't think I will be able, nor
> > have the courage, to contribute to the technical discussion, so this
> > might be my only post. Hopefully, my hopes for this list coincides with
> > yours.
> >
> > BRING SOMETHING YOU CREATED, LIKE A PROPOSAL, AN IDEA OR A QUESTION. Let
> > the primary goal of your posting be to learn something, not to educate
> > others. Don't just see this as another channel in which you want to make
> > sure that everybody who's in it can't miss what you want them to know,
> > and by that spread just statements that does not invite to discussion.
> >
> > THE PAST IS RARELY RELEVANT. We can't change the past, and we are no
> > court of law that has to decide in a trial. Focus on what can be done.
> > Discussion about who did, or did not, or said, or said not is not
> > fruitful. Although i know that a lot of people have been hurt, and I
> > respect that.
> >
> > DISAGREEMENT IS SELDOM BECAUSE ONE OF YOU ARE WRONG AND THE OTHER RIGHT.
> > It's more often that you have different priorities and values. Accept it
> > and try to find a way to embrace both paths and how they can complement
> > each other. Try put yourself in the other persons place, what would you
> > believe if you shared that persons view? Could things that you consider
> > a fact, actually be feelings mistaken for facts?
> >
> > IF YOU DO DISAGREE, try to be curious about why and how the other came
> > to that conclusion. Let the goal of the discussion be to get greater
> > understanding of the other persons points view, and what the other's
> > conclusions is based upon. In my opinion, debates are as useful to a
> > discussion as a game of tennis. Ask honest questions, not leading
> > questions, and be prepared to be the one who changes ones mind.
> >
> > USE EXACT DESCRIPTIVE LANGUAGE. To often expressions like "overwhelming
> > consensus" is used. If you can't define "overwhelming consensus", don't
> > use it because it means different things to everyone. If you can define
> > it, use that definition instead. Also words like hard/soft forks are in
> > my opinion bad, because they don't describe what it's about.
> >
> > QUOTE SOURCES when you are stating something that are not your own
> > opinion or a very well known fact. By that,  this mailing list can be a
> > resource for education.
> >
> > IF SOMETHING IS YOUR OPINION make sure it's easy to understand that it's
> > your opinion (could be done by writing "I think that..." or "I believe
> > that...").
> >
> > /Erik
> > _______________________________________________
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> > bitcoin-ml at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-ml
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2017 16:18:25 +0200
> From: Tom Zander <tomz at freedommail.ch>
> To: bitcoin-ml at lists.linuxfoundation.org
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> On Tuesday, 4 July 2017 10:30:41 CEST freetrader via bitcoin-ml wrote:
> > Hi Erik,
> >
> > Excellent post, actually the best on the list so far.
> > Thank you for this.
>
> As one of the admins I think ?me too? kind of mails to be avoided, but I
> can?t avoid it today as I really feel I need to also acknowledge this high
> quality post, and I know some other admins agree fully with Erik?s post as
> well.
>
> --
> Tom Zander
> Blog: https://zander.github.io
> Vlog: https://vimeo.com/channels/tomscryptochannel
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