[Bitcoin-segwit2x] To make sure my glasses are still working.

William K. Santiago william at wksit.com
Mon Jul 24 12:16:30 UTC 2017


Thanks Adam for the update and thanks for your great work and contribution.
 +1

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:15 AM Dr Adam Back via Bitcoin-segwit2x <
bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> I do not believe most users want a split into two currencies.  Hard-forks
> are decided by the economics of user choices, as they are opt-in to users.
>
> Business and miners follow the economic value.  You can look at ETC for a
> precursor for how that works, except here there is no central Ethereum
> Foundation to try to bias the outcome, and now we have seen that before.
> Exchanges tend to stay neutral, miners tend to follow profitability.  And
> markets dont like uncertainty. VC and angel Investors dont like uncertainty
> nor lack of ecosystem cohesion.
>
> I think the sensible next step is to first deploy segwit widely, measure
> the network and economic effects.
>
> I think spoonnet is more interesting as a hard-fork because it includes a
> number of features and bug fixes.  Pragmatically we can't expect the
> ecosystem to make changes as wide-ranging, disruptive and requiring system
> wide upgrade coordination as a HF at all frequently.  For that reason I
> think most in the tech community think those "hard-fork wish-list" features
> should be reviewed and a good set included in a planned hard-fork.
>
> There are also further incremental soft-forks that can add scale in
> parallel like schnorr and MAST, which are being worked on at present.
>
> Lightning is a parallel track by mostly different development teams and
> will see early adoption pretty soon after segwit is active, and wider
> wallet adoption in the following months, and also has an economic effect in
> amplifying on chain scale (via multiple netted lightning transactions).
>
> Sidechain/drivechain/extension-areas might be higher priority than a fork
> in terms of time-frame but also have different teams working on them.
>
> There are other technical considerations and features that are not so
> visible like network optimisation, redundancy, best practices for
> decentralisation etc. It would really help if companies and miners worked
> together with the technical community there too, because decentralisation
> metrics could be assembled and effort on improving them would help both
> scale and security.
>
> Overall I think the bitcoin ecosystem will flourish faster if people work
> together more openly, with better lines of communication, better mutual
> respect and bring together the users, miners, ecosystem companies and
> technical community for a grand-challenge on scaling.
>
> The "unilateral fork" approach that Gavin started, of which segwit2x is
> the 4th or 5th incarnation, just create drama.  It will be better to fold
> the initiative and interest for the grand challenge into a more inclusive
> process that sees the ecosystem working together rather than risk a
> currency split.  Even internal to companies today there are people of a
> range of views (bitgo Jameson has spoken of) - it's like that for multiple
> companies, and for users and miners.
>
> In my opinion, if the ecosystem were given a free choice between a rushed
> HF that sees a divided ecosystem, a split currency vs an ecosystem working
> together with tradeoffs and challenges recognised and collaborated on, and
> a more cohesive ecosystem - they would go for the latter.  It saddens me to
> see bitcoiners fighting bitcoiners.  I can guarantee you that the "conflict
> of interests" being acted upon theories on all sides, are false.  People
> just care about Bitcoin, and have different perspectives coming at the
> challenge of moving bitcoin forwards on the dual track of security and
> scale.
>
> That's my view.
>
> Adam
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Shaya Kutnowski via Bitcoin-segwit2x <
> bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Just confirming something for my own peace of mind based on the emails
>> I've been reading. Segwit2x is happening whether the humans like it or not.
>> It is unlikely that a fork is going to happen
>> and Bitcoin core doesn't support it. Did I get all that right? For the
>> most part?
>>
>> On Sun, 23 Jul 2017, 9:10 p.m. , <
>> bitcoin-segwit2x-request at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 23:43:37 +0200
>>> From: "Peter BitcoinReminder.com"
>>>         <segwit2x_mailinglist at bitcoinreminder.com>
>>> To: bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-segwit2x] Slack chat registration
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>>> Hi Charlie,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your reply!
>>>
>>> I would like to discuss and help testing the segwit2x deployment, I
>>> think it?s important to make the whole process as safe as possible for
>>> everyone.
>>> So I really would like to join and support Segwit2x - I?m programmer and
>>> think that I understand bitcoin enough to be able to at least contribute a
>>> little bit.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> > Am 23.07.2017 um 23:29 schrieb Charlie Shrem <charlie at decentral.ca>:
>>> >
>>> > Peter,
>>> >
>>> > AFAIK the Slack is to coordinate testing and deployment and have those
>>> relevant parties in there. I personally contribute little since I'm not a
>>> talented developer.
>>> >
>>> > Just curious: what do you plan to contribute to testing and deployment
>>> ?
>>> >
>>> > Charlie
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 12:30 PM Peter BitcoinReminder.com via
>>> Bitcoin-segwit2x <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org <mailto:
>>> bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > It seems that you don?t want people to join the slack channels, but I
>>> kindly ask you again to invite me or show me the address where I can
>>> register.
>>> > Even James Hillard (which wrote most of the BIP91 implementation) is
>>> asking for it[1], so I hope you don?t continue to ignore my request.
>>> > If you think that the development of Segwit2x shouldn?t be an open
>>> process, please announce it - I will stop my requests immediately.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks & best regards,
>>> > Peter
>>> >
>>> > [1] https://twitter.com/james_hilliard/status/889196962406379522 <
>>> https://twitter.com/james_hilliard/status/889196962406379522>
>>> >
>>> > > I was just ignored when I asked to join the slack and @CharlieShrem <
>>> https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem> even asked them to send me an
>>> invite(they ignored that request as well).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Am 17.07.2017 um 02:03 schrieb Peter BitcoinReminder.com <
>>> http://bitcoinreminder.com/> via Bitcoin-segwit2x <
>>> bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org <mailto:
>>> bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org>>:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> Since you claimed that your development is open / open source - I
>>> would like to join the slack but couldn?t find any address where I can
>>> register.
>>> >> Can you help me out?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> Best
>>> >> Peter
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>>> > --
>>> > Charlie Shrem
>>> > Business Development Manager
>>> >  <https://jaxx.io/>
>>> > 325 Front St. W, #400 | Toronto, ON  M5V 2Y1
>>> >  <http://facebook.com/decentralca>  <http://twitter.com/decentralca>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 21:10:12 -0400
>>> From: Charlie Shrem <charlie at decentral.ca>
>>> To: "Peter BitcoinReminder.com"
>>>         <segwit2x_mailinglist at bitcoinreminder.com>
>>> Cc: bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-segwit2x] Slack chat registration
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>>> Hey Peter,
>>>
>>> You can join here: https://btc1.herokuapp.com/
>>>
>>> *Charlie Shrem*
>>> Business Development Manager
>>> <https://jaxx.io>
>>> 325 Front St. W, #400 | Toronto, ON  M5V 2Y1
>>>
>>> <http://facebook.com/decentralca>  <http://twitter.com/decentralca>
>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/company/bitcoin-decentral>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Peter BitcoinReminder.com <
>>> segwit2x_mailinglist at bitcoinreminder.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi Charlie,
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for your reply!
>>> >
>>> > I would like to discuss and help testing the segwit2x deployment, I
>>> think
>>> > it?s important to make the whole process as safe as possible for
>>> everyone.
>>> > So I really would like to join and support Segwit2x - I?m programmer
>>> and
>>> > think that I understand bitcoin enough to be able to at least
>>> contribute a
>>> > little bit.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > Peter
>>> >
>>> > Am 23.07.2017 um 23:29 schrieb Charlie Shrem <charlie at decentral.ca>:
>>> >
>>> > Peter,
>>> >
>>> > AFAIK the Slack is to coordinate testing and deployment and have those
>>> > relevant parties in there. I personally contribute little since I'm
>>> not a
>>> > talented developer.
>>> >
>>> > Just curious: what do you plan to contribute to testing and deployment
>>> ?
>>> >
>>> > Charlie
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 12:30 PM Peter BitcoinReminder.com via
>>> > Bitcoin-segwit2x <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> It seems that you don?t want people to join the slack channels, but I
>>> >> kindly ask you again to invite me or show me the address where I can
>>> >> register.
>>> >> Even James Hillard (which wrote most of the BIP91 implementation) is
>>> >> asking for it[1], so I hope you don?t continue to ignore my request.
>>> >> If you think that the development of Segwit2x shouldn?t be an open
>>> >> process, please announce it - I will stop my requests immediately.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks & best regards,
>>> >> Peter
>>> >>
>>> >> [1] https://twitter.com/james_hilliard/status/889196962406379522
>>> >>
>>> >> > I was just ignored when I asked to join the slack and
>>> @*CharlieShrem*
>>> >> <https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem> even asked them to send me an
>>> >> invite(they ignored that request as well).
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Am 17.07.2017 um 02:03 schrieb Peter BitcoinReminder.com
>>> >> <http://bitcoinreminder.com/> via Bitcoin-segwit2x <
>>> >> bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org>:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> Since you claimed that your development is open / open source - I
>>> would
>>> >> like to join the slack but couldn?t find any address where I can
>>> register.
>>> >> Can you help me out?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> Best
>>> >> Peter
>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>> >> Bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org
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>>> > --
>>> > *Charlie Shrem*
>>> > Business Development Manager
>>> > <https://jaxx.io/>
>>> > 325 Front St. W, #400 | Toronto, ON  M5V 2Y1
>>> >
>>> > <http://facebook.com/decentralca>  <http://twitter.com/decentralca>
>>> > <http://www.linkedin.com/company/bitcoin-decentral>
>>> > <Jaxx_Decentral_Signature.png>
>>> >
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>>
>> Shaya. K
>>
>> Kutnowski at gmail.com
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