[Bitcoin-segwit2x] Require a new Statement from NYA companies

[Alberto De Luigi]

Actually the bitcoin Core developers never clarified why they are against segwit2x. There are no technical reasons. 2mb blocksize hf means very smooth change in 6 months, everybody knows it and can prepare, fullnodes do not costs more, or the cost increase is negligible. Even for people who can't afford good hardware, the costs are fully repaid by lower fees (if you do let's say 50 tx in a year). 
They said we don't agree "because it is contentious"... but hey, what if you Core devs agreed to it since the 25th may? In that case no one would have ever said it is contentious, so no one speaking about replay protection, probably not even twitter and reddit trolls etc.
If protocol devs are not explaining themselves, we cannot expect people follow their instructions rather than the reason. If people are subordinate to politics and ideology, rather than reason, should we really plan a protocol upgrade considering their potential irrational behaviour?

-----Original Message-----
From: Marcel Jamin [mailto:marcel at jamin.net] 
Sent: giovedì 2 novembre 2017 17:11
To: Matthew Clancy <matthewpclancy at gmail.com>
Cc: Ben Peters <ben at bitso.com>; Peter Todd via Bitcoin-segwit2x <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org>; mail at albertodeluigi.com
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-segwit2x] Require a new Statement from NYA companies

On 2 November 2017 at 16:56, Matthew Clancy <matthewpclancy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> But it's very easy to determine lack of consensus.
>
> Is it?
>

Of course, it is.

I don't know why you think it's fine to completely ignore virtually all bitcoin protocol developers, ~15% of hashpower, many businesses, several meetup groups in addition to those "twitter and reddit trolls"
who are obviously not all sitting in a chinese click farm.

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> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 3:02 AM, Marcel Jamin via Bitcoin-segwit2x 
> <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 2 November 2017 at 02:09, Ben Peters via Bitcoin-segwit2x 
>> <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>> > If I see one more “without consensus blah blah” I think I’m going 
>> > to puke.
>> >
>> > There is no way to determine consensus other than what the markets 
>> > and the miners do. Loudmouths and trolls on social media are not a 
>> > measure of consensus.
>>
>> But it's very easy to determine lack of consensus.
>>
>> >
>> > As bitPico says, this the mailing list of a project for creating 
>> > and deploying a software solution to meet with the requirements of the NYA.
>> > The
>> > creation has happened, and the deployment was the code being passed 
>> > into the hands of the miners.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Nov 1, 2017, at 6:56 PM, Melvin Carvalho via Bitcoin-segwit2x 
>> > <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2 November 2017 at 01:17, bitPico via Bitcoin-segwit2x
>> > <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> This is a development list/working group.
>> >>
>> >> The charter of this working group is design, implement, build, 
>> >> test, and deploy the software required to make Bitcoin scale, in 
>> >> accordance with the specific points of the agreement made on May 
>> >> 21, 2017.
>> >>
>> >> https://segwit2x.github.io/
>> >
>> >
>> > "Design & deploy" ... [ to make Bitcoin scale ]
>> >
>> > Without consensus, this premise is flawed.
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my Space Ship
>> >>
>> >> On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:55 PM, Alberto De Luigi via Bitcoin-segwit2x 
>> >> <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In order to safeguard the community from...
>> >>
>> >>
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