[Bitcoin-segwit2x] Require a new Statement from NYA companies

[Will M]

That’s patently false.

You can prove it by installing a pre 0.8 client and syncing it. You will be unable to sync to today’s Bitcoin at block height 252,451.

Here are detailed instructions you can use to reproduce this yourself: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5rc7an/despite_what_core_supporters_may_claim_bitcoin/

Cheers.

On Nov 2, 2017, 5:27 PM -0600, Bitcoin Error Log <bitcoinerrorlog at gmail.com>, wrote:
> Will, Bitcoin has never forked and abandoned the old chain. There was a rollback for bugfixes and a time when Hearn's db bug almost caused a fork, but the fork failed.
>
> > On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 1:20 AM Will M <will.madden at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > If we were to use your definition, the original Bitcoin ceased to be used on August 16th, 2013 at block height 252,451. We are all using a new blockchain that is based on proof of stake from v 0.8 bitcoin qt and not Bitcoin.
> > >
> > > Can we keep this mailing list to technical discussion and move this sort of debate back to twitter, reddit or whatever? Thanks...
> > >
> > > On Nov 2, 2017, 5:11 PM -0600, Bitcoin Error Log via Bitcoin-segwit2x <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org>, wrote:
> > > > There's no such thing as consensus of what Bitcoin is, at least not in the abstract sense you are all yammering on about.
> > > >
> > > > Bitcoin is the first blockchain, it's protocol defines it and what you can expect from it. You can only add rules, not change them.
> > > >
> > > > A hard fork can NEVER be "Bitcoin" and Bitcoin can't even "die" (whether miners mine it or not, it remains in hibernation and is secure). These are absolute facts, not beliefs or theories. If you start from these fundamentals, you can make better decisions about how to manage your forks, soft or hard. You will understand you are competing with Bitcoin, not upgrading it.
> > > >
> > > > You are not reaching consensus, your are campaigning and competing. You are not Bitcoin, you are using Bitcoin history as a proof of stake for a new blockchain.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 12:30 AM Luke Dashjr via Bitcoin-segwit2x <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday 02 November 2017 4:53:42 PM Alberto De Luigi via Bitcoin-segwit2x
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Actually the bitcoin Core developers never clarified why they are against
> > > > > > > segwit2x. There are no technical reasons.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't normally post here, but since you're making bogus claims about me like
> > > > > > this... I, at least, absolutely have clarified my stance on multiple
> > > > > > occasions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please read this reddit comment for a synopsis:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/61yvvv/request_to_core_devs_please_explain_your_vision/dficjhj/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >  2mb blocksize hf means very smooth change in 6 months, everybody knows it
> > > > > > >  and can prepare, fullnodes do not costs more, or the cost increase is
> > > > > > >  negligible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hardforks are almost* NEVER smooth, due to the design that entails what a
> > > > > > hardfork is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The cost increase is not negligible. You're talking about the blockchain
> > > > > > increasing at a rate of ~263 GB per year. That's almost double the current
> > > > > > blockchain size, which already cuts out far too many users from running their
> > > > > > own node, to the point where Bitcoin today is not actually secure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Note that 2X is NOT a 2 MB block size. It is up to 8 MB blocks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Luke
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * The exception is when the network has ceased to be functioning prior to the
> > > > > > change, which forces universal visibility into the matter. This is clearly NOT
> > > > > > the case for November; Bitcoin has been working fine since 2013.
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