[Bitcoin-segwit2x] Strong 2-Way Replay Protection

Chris Stewart chris at suredbits.com
Mon Oct 9 03:02:01 UTC 2017


So again -- just to be crystal clear -- consumer facing companies that
signed the segwit2x agreement should offer their customers this choice
between the two chains?

-Chris

On Oct 8, 2017 9:55 PM, "digitsu" <jerry.d.chan at bittoku.co.jp> wrote:

> It doesn’t require any assumptions.  Users (who tend to care about the
> transaction validity and reliability of their chain) will move.  Those that
> don’t move will stay because they value their principles or idealogy more
> than functionality or security of their chain.  Everyone will get what they
> want (to pay for).
>
> There is no coercion required.
>
>
> On Oct 9, 2017, at 11:43, Chris Stewart via Bitcoin-segwit2x <
> bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> You cannot make assumptions about what users will do (unless you are
> assuming that the business they are using coerced them onto a specific
> chain).
>
> Also the word 'upgraded' is very subjective. I consider upgrades to be the
> Peter Thiel flavor of "0 to 1"  (legitimate new technology) not the "1 to
> N" that hard forking a block size increase does.
>
> -Chris
> On Oct 8, 2017 9:05 PM, "Emil Oldenburg" <emil at bitcoin.com> wrote:
>
> I never said it will. Simply that the users will move to the upgraded
> chain and the legacy one will have neither blocks nor users after a short
> while.
>
>
> Emil Oldenburg, CTOEmil at bitcoin.com
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> On 2017年10月09日 10:59, Chris Stewart wrote:
>
> This is really alarming that you think this is how consensus protocols
> work. The legacy chain will never reorg to the new currency. The two
> consensus rule sets are incompatible.
>
> -Chris
>
> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Emil Oldenburg via Bitcoin-segwit2x <
> bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Chain splits happens once in a while, we had a chain split three days
>> ago, even though it didn't last as no miner built a block on top of the
>> AntPool block since the cost of burying it deep enough to reach more than
>> 100 confirmations so it can be sold, simply was too high.
>>
>> https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/blocks/orphans/1
>>
>> Post HF, we will get a chain split, and blocks will be mined on both
>> chains. But the economic reality is that the non-upgraded legacy chain face
>> a significant risk of getting orphaned/abandoned. What is a good definition
>> of chain split? 1, 100, or 1000 blocks?
>>
>>
>> Emil Oldenburg, CTOEmil at bitcoin.com
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>> On 2017年10月09日 09:56, Chris Stewart via Bitcoin-segwit2x wrote:
>>
>> So just so this is clear to the rest of the world, Segwit2x believes
>> there will be no chain split?
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 5:57 PM, bitPico <bitpico at icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>>> https://blockchain.info/charts/nya-support
>>>
>>> ~95-96%
>>>
>>> Do the math on how long it would take to solve a 1x (deprecated) block
>>> with only 4-5% network hash power.
>>>
>>> There is no HACK in place to drop the difficulty either so it’s a dead
>>> blockchain. :-)
>>>
>>> On Oct 8, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Chris Stewart via Bitcoin-segwit2x <
>>> bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> So just to be clear, segwit2x no longer believes there will not be a
>>> chain split come November?
>>>
>>> -Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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