[Bitcoin-segwit2x] We are all bitcoin

Sat Oct 14 22:49:41 UTC 2017

The weaker chain (if it survives) MUST implement replay protection. The stronger chain does nothing. BreadWallet devs said similar. We are not implementing it into our non-Satoshi codebase and neither is any other 2x implementations.

Bitcoin Core Developers already stated they will make a rage move instead of their previous statement of rage quitting and moving on to other projects. Most likely a change to their Proof-of-Work is coming (their own words).

Some people are encouraging a chain split for financial gains which makes the cryptocurrency environment  more toxic than it already is...

> On Oct 14, 2017, at 1:02 PM, Phillip Katete via Bitcoin-segwit2x <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
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> The terns of reference for the working group, as has been stated multiple times, is to avoid a network split. Implementing strong 2 way RP would effectively render the agreement voidable as it’d be fostering a network split. From ALL Sybil resistant data available on the blockchain, and despite what core would like everyone else to believe, the risk of a “viable” split, sans HF by core,  though existent is at this particular moment remote. As such, it matter not whether developers that do not want strong 2 way RP are in the minority, what matters is that the client does not render the agreement voidable.
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> From: Bitcoin Error Log via Bitcoin-segwit2x
> Sent: 14 October 2017 17:50
> To: Mike Belshe
> Cc: bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-segwit2x] We are all bitcoin
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> If you won't accept that a significant portion of Bitcoin does not want this, let's at least address that some of the tech people in NYA-signing businesses, like Jameson Lopp of BitGo, and Alex Petrov of BitFury also disagree with the implementation. Are these companies going to ignore the very people they hired to be knowledgeable?
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> I'd argue a minority of developers overall do not want strong replay protection. You do not have consensus of developers, Core, or not.
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> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017, 6:19 PM Mike Belshe via Bitcoin-segwit2x <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> I've banned Scott.
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> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 8:11 AM, Cedrick Perrigo via Bitcoin-segwit2x <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> You wonders do not belong to this mailing list. Get those silly speculations elsewhere.
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> It's users deciding to use those services, not the other way around. If users are not happy, they can leave any time. But yet you see, that's not what's happening.
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> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-segwit2x] We are all bitcoin
> Local Time: October 14, 2017 11:04 PM
> UTC Time: October 14, 2017 3:04 PM
> From: segwit2x_mailinglist at bitcoinreminder.com
> To: Cedrick Perrigo <cedrickperrigo at protonmail.com>
> Phillip Katete <pekatete at hotmail.com>, bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org>
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>  If any of them are pro-segwit1x, they should immediately terminate their business with those companies or stop using those wallets.
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> I wonder then why Coinbase, Bitpay,.. etc are not asking its users or telling them to " immediately terminate their business with those companies or stop using those wallets“? 
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> I never see people arguing on a Bitcoin Cash mailing list to show which one has the majority support.
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> BCash was professional enough to include replay protection - which is not the case with B2X until now.
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> Am 14.10.2017 um 17:00 schrieb Cedrick Perrigo <cedrickperrigo at protonmail.com>:
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> Funny you listed something that only has less than 400 responses. How is that something "objective"?
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> Many people don't care or are neutral to segwit1x vs segwit2x, of course. Businesses and services they use would take them to segwit2x, like the 10,000 merchants and millions of users. If any of them are pro-segwit1x, they should immediately terminate their business with those companies or stop using those wallets. We didn't see it happen.
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> If you truly think those poll counts, why would you still arguing with me on a segwit2x mailing list? It only shows that you're extremely doubtful of your belief. I never see people arguing on a Bitcoin Cash mailing list to show which one has the majority support.
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> Also you missed the counter-argument for "majority of miners". So I assume at least we agree that majority of miners support segwit2x. :)
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> Now this is a technical mailing list. Would trolls please find elsewhere for those nonsense?
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> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-segwit2x] We are all bitcoin
> Local Time: October 14, 2017 10:48 PM
> UTC Time: October 14, 2017 2:48 PM
> From: segwit2x_mailinglist at bitcoinreminder.com
> To: Cedrick Perrigo <cedrickperrigo at protonmail.com>
> Phillip Katete <pekatete at hotmail.com>, bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org>
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> It’s funny how you imply that "10,000 merchants of BitPay, millions of users of Blockchain.info, Bitcoin.com, Xapo, Coinbase, millions of buyers and sellers of OpenBazar“ are in favour of b2x?
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> The only sybill resistant poll which I know (even created by data of users from Coinbase!!!) shows that most of the coinbase customers are not in favour of b2x? 
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> https://luke.dashjr.org/programs/kycpoll/answers.php
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> This link was twittered on /r/bitcoin, /r/btc and reweeted also by many B2X proponents.
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> So please, show me some data how these "10,000 merchants of BitPay, millions of users of Blockchain.info, Bitcoin.com, Xapo, Coinbase, millions of buyers and sellers of OpenBazar“ are in favour of b2x?
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> Am 14.10.2017 um 16:44 schrieb Cedrick Perrigo via Bitcoin-segwit2x <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org>:
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> In the grand scheme of things, 10,000 merchants of BitPay, millions of users of Blockchain.info, Bitcoin.com, Xapo, Coinbase, millions of buyers and sellers of OpenBazar, majority of miners do not count but you only count a tiny thousand people on a Twitter poll. How funny this is.
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> If you actually look into Twitter, there are only around a thousand people who has the "no2x" tag. Not all of them are trolling. However, people who state that those are everything that counts, especially on a segwit2x mailing list, is certainly trolling and does not worth any people's attention.
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> Bitcoin will be what majority calls it. Period.
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> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-segwit2x] We are all bitcoin
> Local Time: October 14, 2017 10:32 PM
> UTC Time: October 14, 2017 2:32 PM
> From: bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> To: Scott Roberts <wordsgalore at gmail.com>, bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org>
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> In the grand scheme of things, 1,168 responders is not exactly representative of the bitcoin community, is it? But that number, for a sample size, falls in the range of what is referred to as statistically irrelevant. It seems like you’ll have to do even more reading up!
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> From: Scott Roberts via Bitcoin-segwit2x
> Sent: 14 October 2017 15:25
> To: bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-segwit2x] We are all bitcoin
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> > I have NEVER seen a twitter poll on bitcoin that had a statistically relevant sample size. But also bear in mind that by it’s very nature, twitter creates bubbles where like minded people follow each other.
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> 1,168 with 30x difference in responses is very significant. Show me
> the twitter bubble where like-minded SegWit2x supporters show their
> support.
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