[Bitcoin-segwit2x] We are all bitcoin

Chris Stewart chris at suredbits.com
Mon Oct 16 00:19:48 UTC 2017


>The terns of reference for the working group, as has been stated multiple
times, is to avoid a network split.

If there is consensus on one thing, I think we can all admit there is going
to be a network split.

Therefore, if this working group insists on creating an altcoin, it should
have strong 2 way replay protection.

-Chris



On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Phillip Katete via Bitcoin-segwit2x <
bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> The terns of reference for the working group, as has been stated multiple
> times, is to avoid a network split. Implementing strong 2 way RP would
> effectively render the agreement voidable as it’d be fostering a network
> split. From ALL Sybil resistant data available on the blockchain, and
> despite what core would like everyone else to believe, the risk of a
> “viable” split, sans HF by core,  though existent is at this particular
> moment remote. As such, it matter not whether developers that do not want
> strong 2 way RP are in the minority, what matters is that the client does
> not render the agreement voidable.
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> *From: *Bitcoin Error Log via Bitcoin-segwit2x
> <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org>
> *Sent: *14 October 2017 17:50
> *To: *Mike Belshe <mike at bitgo.com>
> *Cc: *bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org
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> *Subject: *Re: [Bitcoin-segwit2x] We are all bitcoin
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> If you won't accept that a significant portion of Bitcoin does not want
> this, let's at least address that some of the tech people in NYA-signing
> businesses, like Jameson Lopp of BitGo, and Alex Petrov of BitFury also
> disagree with the implementation. Are these companies going to ignore the
> very people they hired to be knowledgeable?
>
> I'd argue a minority of developers overall do not want strong replay
> protection. You do not have consensus of developers, Core, or not.
>
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> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017, 6:19 PM Mike Belshe via Bitcoin-segwit2x <
> bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
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> I've banned Scott.
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> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 8:11 AM, Cedrick Perrigo via Bitcoin-segwit2x <
> bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
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> You wonders do not belong to this mailing list. Get those silly
> speculations elsewhere.
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> It's users deciding to use those services, not the other way around. If
> users are not happy, they can leave any time. But yet you see, that's not
> what's happening.
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> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-segwit2x] We are all bitcoin
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> Local Time: October 14, 2017 11:04 PM
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> UTC Time: October 14, 2017 3:04 PM
>
> From: segwit2x_mailinglist at bitcoinreminder.com
>
> To: Cedrick Perrigo <cedrickperrigo at protonmail.com>
>
> Phillip Katete <pekatete at hotmail.com>, bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.
> linuxfoundation.org <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org>
>
>
>
>  If any of them are pro-segwit1x, they should immediately terminate their
> business with those companies or stop using those wallets.
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>
> I wonder then why Coinbase, Bitpay,.. etc are not asking its users or
> telling them to " immediately terminate their business with those companies
> or stop using those wallets“?
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> I never see people arguing on a Bitcoin Cash mailing list to show which
> one has the majority support.
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> BCash was professional enough to include replay protection - which is not
> the case with B2X until now.
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>
> Am 14.10.2017 um 17:00 schrieb Cedrick Perrigo <
> cedrickperrigo at protonmail.com>:
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> Funny you listed something that only has less than 400 responses. How is
> that something "objective"?
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> Many people don't care or are neutral to segwit1x vs segwit2x, of course.
> Businesses and services they use would take them to segwit2x, like the
> 10,000 merchants and millions of users. If any of them are pro-segwit1x,
> they should immediately terminate their business with those companies or
> stop using those wallets. We didn't see it happen.
>
>
>
> If you truly think those poll counts, why would you still arguing with me
> on a segwit2x mailing list? It only shows that you're extremely doubtful of
> your belief. I never see people arguing on a Bitcoin Cash mailing list to
> show which one has the majority support.
>
>
>
> Also you missed the counter-argument for "majority of miners". So I assume
> at least we agree that majority of miners support segwit2x. :)
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> Now this is a technical mailing list. Would trolls please find elsewhere
> for those nonsense?
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> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-segwit2x] We are all bitcoin
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> Local Time: October 14, 2017 10:48 PM
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> UTC Time: October 14, 2017 2:48 PM
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> From: segwit2x_mailinglist at bitcoinreminder.com
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> To: Cedrick Perrigo <cedrickperrigo at protonmail.com>
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> Phillip Katete <pekatete at hotmail.com>, bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.
> linuxfoundation.org <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org>
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>
> It’s funny how you imply that "10,000 merchants of BitPay, millions of
> users of Blockchain.info
> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fblockchain.info%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cpekatete%40hotmail.com%7Cab6d87b04b384c02ccec08d51323b4ac%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636435966428146175&sdata=AUXYzKL8s0wdA8HdJK1T0DuQzKaavzb2xW8PeCc4nFQ%3D&reserved=0>
> , Bitcoin.com
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> Xapo, Coinbase, millions of buyers and sellers of OpenBazar“ are in favour
> of b2x?
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>
>
> The only sybill resistant poll which I know (even created by data of users
> from Coinbase!!!) shows that most of the coinbase customers are not in
> favour of b2x?
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> https://luke.dashjr.org/programs/kycpoll/answers.php
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> This link was twittered on /r/bitcoin, /r/btc and reweeted also by many
> B2X proponents.
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>
>
> So please, show me some data how these "10,000 merchants of BitPay,
> millions of users of Blockchain.info
> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fblockchain.info%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cpekatete%40hotmail.com%7Cab6d87b04b384c02ccec08d51323b4ac%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636435966428146175&sdata=AUXYzKL8s0wdA8HdJK1T0DuQzKaavzb2xW8PeCc4nFQ%3D&reserved=0>
> , Bitcoin.com
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> Xapo, Coinbase, millions of buyers and sellers of OpenBazar“ are in favour
> of b2x?
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> Am 14.10.2017 um 16:44 schrieb Cedrick Perrigo via Bitcoin-segwit2x <
> bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org>:
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>
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> In the grand scheme of things, 10,000 merchants of BitPay, millions of
> users of Blockchain.info
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> Bitcoin.com
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> Xapo, Coinbase, millions of buyers and sellers of OpenBazar, majority of
> miners do not count but you only count a tiny thousand people on a Twitter
> poll. How funny this is.
>
>
>
> If you actually look into Twitter, there are only around a thousand people
> who has the "no2x" tag. Not all of them are trolling. However, people who
> state that those are everything that counts, especially on a segwit2x
> mailing list, is certainly trolling and does not worth any people's
> attention.
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> Bitcoin will be what majority calls it. Period.
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> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-segwit2x] We are all bitcoin
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> Local Time: October 14, 2017 10:32 PM
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> UTC Time: October 14, 2017 2:32 PM
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> From: bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org
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> To: Scott Roberts <wordsgalore at gmail.com>, bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.
> linuxfoundation.org <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org>
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> In the grand scheme of things, 1,168 responders is not exactly
> representative of the bitcoin community, is it? But that number, for a
> sample size, falls in the range of what is referred to as statistically
> irrelevant. It seems like you’ll have to do even more reading up!
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> *From: *Scott Roberts via Bitcoin-segwit2x
> <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org>
>
> *Sent: *14 October 2017 15:25
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> *To: *bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org
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> *Subject: *Re: [Bitcoin-segwit2x] We are all bitcoin
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> > I have NEVER seen a twitter poll on bitcoin that had a statistically
> relevant sample size. But also bear in mind that by it’s very nature,
> twitter creates bubbles where like minded people follow each other.
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> 1,168 with 30x difference in responses is very significant. Show me
> the twitter bubble where like-minded SegWit2x supporters show their
> support.
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