[Bitcoin-segwit2x] We are all bitcoin

[Jared Lee Richardson]

> I think we can all admit there is going to be a network split.

Network split != altcoin.

2x is Bitcoin.  Bitcoin does not need protection against Bitcoin.

If the legacy chains survives as a minority, it can add replay
protection as the minority chain.  If 2x is the minority chain, it'll
fade, it is not BCH.  With more than 85% signaling, that is not
likely.

Jared

On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Chris Stewart via Bitcoin-segwit2x
<bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>The terns of reference for the working group, as has been stated multiple
>> times, is to avoid a network split.
>
> If there is consensus on one thing, I think we can all admit there is going
> to be a network split.
>
> Therefore, if this working group insists on creating an altcoin, it should
> have strong 2 way replay protection.
>
> -Chris
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Phillip Katete via Bitcoin-segwit2x
> <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>> The terns of reference for the working group, as has been stated multiple
>> times, is to avoid a network split. Implementing strong 2 way RP would
>> effectively render the agreement voidable as it’d be fostering a network
>> split. From ALL Sybil resistant data available on the blockchain, and
>> despite what core would like everyone else to believe, the risk of a
>> “viable” split, sans HF by core,  though existent is at this particular
>> moment remote. As such, it matter not whether developers that do not want
>> strong 2 way RP are in the minority, what matters is that the client does
>> not render the agreement voidable.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Bitcoin Error Log via Bitcoin-segwit2x
>> Sent: 14 October 2017 17:50
>> To: Mike Belshe
>> Cc: bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-segwit2x] We are all bitcoin
>>
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>>
>> If you won't accept that a significant portion of Bitcoin does not want
>> this, let's at least address that some of the tech people in NYA-signing
>> businesses, like Jameson Lopp of BitGo, and Alex Petrov of BitFury also
>> disagree with the implementation. Are these companies going to ignore the
>> very people they hired to be knowledgeable?
>>
>> I'd argue a minority of developers overall do not want strong replay
>> protection. You do not have consensus of developers, Core, or not.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017, 6:19 PM Mike Belshe via Bitcoin-segwit2x
>> <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>> I've banned Scott.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 8:11 AM, Cedrick Perrigo via Bitcoin-segwit2x
>> <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>> You wonders do not belong to this mailing list. Get those silly
>> speculations elsewhere.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's users deciding to use those services, not the other way around. If
>> users are not happy, they can leave any time. But yet you see, that's not
>> what's happening.
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>> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-segwit2x] We are all bitcoin
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>> Local Time: October 14, 2017 11:04 PM
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>> UTC Time: October 14, 2017 3:04 PM
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>> From: segwit2x_mailinglist at bitcoinreminder.com
>>
>> To: Cedrick Perrigo <cedrickperrigo at protonmail.com>
>>
>> Phillip Katete <pekatete at hotmail.com>,
>> bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>> <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>  If any of them are pro-segwit1x, they should immediately terminate their
>> business with those companies or stop using those wallets.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wonder then why Coinbase, Bitpay,.. etc are not asking its users or
>> telling them to " immediately terminate their business with those companies
>> or stop using those wallets“?
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>>
>> I never see people arguing on a Bitcoin Cash mailing list to show which
>> one has the majority support.
>>
>>
>>
>> BCash was professional enough to include replay protection - which is not
>> the case with B2X until now.
>>
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>>
>> Am 14.10.2017 um 17:00 schrieb Cedrick Perrigo
>> <cedrickperrigo at protonmail.com>:
>>
>>
>>
>> Funny you listed something that only has less than 400 responses. How is
>> that something "objective"?
>>
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>> Many people don't care or are neutral to segwit1x vs segwit2x, of course.
>> Businesses and services they use would take them to segwit2x, like the
>> 10,000 merchants and millions of users. If any of them are pro-segwit1x,
>> they should immediately terminate their business with those companies or
>> stop using those wallets. We didn't see it happen.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you truly think those poll counts, why would you still arguing with me
>> on a segwit2x mailing list? It only shows that you're extremely doubtful of
>> your belief. I never see people arguing on a Bitcoin Cash mailing list to
>> show which one has the majority support.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also you missed the counter-argument for "majority of miners". So I assume
>> at least we agree that majority of miners support segwit2x. :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Now this is a technical mailing list. Would trolls please find elsewhere
>> for those nonsense?
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>> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-segwit2x] We are all bitcoin
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>> Local Time: October 14, 2017 10:48 PM
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>> UTC Time: October 14, 2017 2:48 PM
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>> From: segwit2x_mailinglist at bitcoinreminder.com
>>
>> To: Cedrick Perrigo <cedrickperrigo at protonmail.com>
>>
>> Phillip Katete <pekatete at hotmail.com>,
>> bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>> <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org>
>>
>>
>>
>> It’s funny how you imply that "10,000 merchants of BitPay, millions of
>> users of Blockchain.info, Bitcoin.com, Xapo, Coinbase, millions of buyers
>> and sellers of OpenBazar“ are in favour of b2x?
>>
>>
>>
>> The only sybill resistant poll which I know (even created by data of users
>> from Coinbase!!!) shows that most of the coinbase customers are not in
>> favour of b2x?
>>
>>
>>
>> https://luke.dashjr.org/programs/kycpoll/answers.php
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>>
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>> This link was twittered on /r/bitcoin, /r/btc and reweeted also by many
>> B2X proponents.
>>
>>
>>
>> So please, show me some data how these "10,000 merchants of BitPay,
>> millions of users of Blockchain.info, Bitcoin.com, Xapo, Coinbase, millions
>> of buyers and sellers of OpenBazar“ are in favour of b2x?
>>
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>> Am 14.10.2017 um 16:44 schrieb Cedrick Perrigo via Bitcoin-segwit2x
>> <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org>:
>>
>>
>>
>> In the grand scheme of things, 10,000 merchants of BitPay, millions of
>> users of Blockchain.info, Bitcoin.com, Xapo, Coinbase, millions of buyers
>> and sellers of OpenBazar, majority of miners do not count but you only count
>> a tiny thousand people on a Twitter poll. How funny this is.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you actually look into Twitter, there are only around a thousand people
>> who has the "no2x" tag. Not all of them are trolling. However, people who
>> state that those are everything that counts, especially on a segwit2x
>> mailing list, is certainly trolling and does not worth any people's
>> attention.
>>
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>> Bitcoin will be what majority calls it. Period.
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>> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-segwit2x] We are all bitcoin
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>> Local Time: October 14, 2017 10:32 PM
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>> UTC Time: October 14, 2017 2:32 PM
>>
>> From: bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>>
>> To: Scott Roberts <wordsgalore at gmail.com>,
>> bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>> <bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In the grand scheme of things, 1,168 responders is not exactly
>> representative of the bitcoin community, is it? But that number, for a
>> sample size, falls in the range of what is referred to as statistically
>> irrelevant. It seems like you’ll have to do even more reading up!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Scott Roberts via Bitcoin-segwit2x
>>
>> Sent: 14 October 2017 15:25
>>
>> To: bitcoin-segwit2x at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-segwit2x] We are all bitcoin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > I have NEVER seen a twitter poll on bitcoin that had a statistically
>> > relevant sample size. But also bear in mind that by it’s very nature,
>> > twitter creates bubbles where like minded people follow each other.
>>
>>
>> 1,168 with 30x difference in responses is very significant. Show me
>> the twitter bubble where like-minded SegWit2x supporters show their
>> support.
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