[cgl_discussion] FW: Kick-off the Review of the Device Driver Hardening Design Spe c

Kreso Bilan Kreso.Bilan at btopenworld.com
Thu Sep 19 14:54:10 PDT 2002


Hello,

I would try to help "Device Driver Hardening" in my free-time.
I will spend some time during weekend, reading appropriate specifications
from OSDL web page. If I don't find enough information, I will come back
with questions...

Kind Regards,

Kreso Bilan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rhoads, Rob" <rob.rhoads at intel.com>
To: "'Randy.Dunlap'" <rddunlap at osdl.org>
Cc: <cgl_discussion at osdl.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 9:22 PM
Subject: RE: [cgl_discussion] FW: Kick-off the Review of the Device Driver
Hardening Design Spe c


> Exposure of the hardened drivers project has always been my biggest
concern.
> As I stated previously in my original e-mail, I will in fact announce it
on
> the lkml. I wanted to shoot it out to CGL first and gauge reaction, before
> spamming it out on the lkml. I completely agree, that without further
> feedback/exposure to the Linux kernel developer community it will never
take
> off and will never make it into the mainstream kernel sources. If it
doesn't
> make it into the kernel mainstream, I would go so far as to say that we
are
> just wasting our time.
>
> Stay tuned, you will see it out on lkml very soon.
>
> -RobR
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Randy.Dunlap [mailto:rddunlap at osdl.org]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:58 AM
> > To: Rhoads, Rob
> > Cc: 'cgl_discussion at osdl.org'
> > Subject: Re: [cgl_discussion] FW: Kick-off the Review of the Device
> > Driver Hardening Design Spe c
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Rob,
> >
> > I have serious doubts that announcing and reviewing the
> > driver hardening spec and drivers _only_ on the hardeneddrivers
> > mailing list is sufficient.
> >
> > I even doubt that doing so on the cgl_discussion list is
> > sufficient.  cgl_discussion so far just isn't being used
> > (or at least replied to) by people outside of the CGL
> > member companies, and I believe that we need more
> > involvement than just the CGL member companies for this
> > (driver hardening and other parts of CGL) to succeed.
> > [BTW, succeed in this case means being integrated into
> > a mainstream kernel release.]
> >
> > Do you have other plans to announce the hardeneddrivers
> > project and ask for feedback?  such as to lkml or more
> > focused mailing lists?  I think that's what needs to
> > happen here.
> >
> > I see that the hardened drivers projects is already
> > listed under http://linuxkernel.foundries.sourceforge.net,
> > and that's good, but I still doubt that location is
> > enough either.
> >
> > I know that there is a concern about spamming lkml etc.,
> > but without adequate exposure and feedback, patches like
> > this won't make progress, won't be integrated into a
> > mainstream kernel, and will eventually just bitrot.
> >
> > This is not an issue only for driver hardening and I'm not
> > trying to pick on you, but driver hardening is
> > (a) leading the way on this and (b) a very critical
> > general infrastructure that needs wide exposure.
> >
> > Bottom line to me is that it will need to be discussed
> > on lkml and linux-scsi at least, until newer lists like
> > cgl_discussion have enough usage to stand alone.
> >
> > And we shouldn't discourage such discussion on cgl_discussion
> > (i.e., we shouldn't limit it to the hardeneddrivers mailing
> > list e.g.).
> >
> > --
> > ~Randy
> >
> > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Rhoads, Rob wrote:
> >
> > | I sent the original message below on the hardened driver
> > mailing list. Since
> > | I've received only a few responses and only from engineers
> > within Intel I'm
> > | forwarding it here.
> > |
> > | If you plan on participating on the hardened drivers
> > project, please join
> > | the mailing and send me your SourceForge user account name. Thanks.
> > |
> > | -RobR
> > |
> > | -----Original Message-----
> > | From: Rhoads, Rob
> > | Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:00 AM
> > | To: 'hardeneddrivers-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net'
> > | Subject: Kick-off the Review of the Device Driver Hardening
> > Design Spec
> > |
> > | All,
> > |
> > | As promised, I'd like to kick-off the review of the current
> > | "Device Driver Hardening Design Spec". I'd like to do this
> > | using this mailing list and the SourceForge bug tracker
> > | database.
> > |
> > | Under the "Tracker" section of the Hardened Drivers project
> > | (http://sourceforge.net/projects/hardeneddrivers/), I've
> > | created a new tracker database called "Review Design Spec".
> > | That is where I'd liked to track all review comments and
> > | feedback for the design spec.
> > |
> > | IMPORTANT: Before you can add your review comments, I need
> > |            to add your SourceForge account to the project.
> > |            Send me your SourceForge user account name.
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > | What I need from you (Action Items for you):
> > | -------------------------------------------
> > | 1. If you don't already have a SourceForge developer account,
> > |    get one (see http://sourceforge.net/account/register.php).
> > |    Send me your account name, so I can add you to the project.
> > |    Include a brief intro of who you are, past experience, and
> > |    your interests on device driver hardening. This last part
> > |    is just so I can get to know you.
> > |
> > | 2. Download the spec, read and review it.
> > |
> > http://hardeneddrivers.sourceforge.net/downloads/DDH-Spec-0.5h.pdf
> > |
> > | 3. Submit your review comments to the tracker "Review Design Spec"
> > |    database. Be sure to include the exact reference in the doc
> > |    (i.e. section numbers). I'd prefer that you use one tracker entry
> > |    per comment/suggestion. This is more work, but I want to be able
> > |    to track each item separately. We can always close, combine, or
> > |    open new entries if needed. Just use your best judgment.
> > |
> > |    DUE DATE: Submit all feedback by the end of the week
> > |              Sept. 20, 2002.
> > |
> > | 4. Send your questions or items you'd like to further discuss,
> > |    to this mailing list.
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > | What I will do (Action Items for me):
> > | ------------------------------------
> > | 1. I will review each of the tracker entries and resolve,
> > |    or disposition the ones that I can (e.g. accept, reject,
> > |    etc.). I will periodically publish the results of the
> > |    dispositions to this mailing list.
> > |
> > |    Ground Rules for tracker disposition:
> > |    ------------------------------------
> > |    Before rejecting an entry outright, I will work with the
> > |    submitter to resolve any conflicts. The submitter or
> > |    myself always have the option of opening up a discussion
> > |    on a particular item to this mailing list for wider
> > |    review. When in doubt, I will error on sending it out
> > |    to the mailing list for greater discussion.
> > |
> > |    As the project maintainer, I reserve the right to make the final
> > |    decision.
> > |
> > | 2. Next week I will put together a list of items that I think
> > |    need further discussion, this will include all open or unresolved
> > |    review comments from the tracker entries.
> > |
> > | 3. Consolidate all resolved review comments into a new
> > |    revision of the Device Driver Hardening Spec and post
> > |    it up on the project homepage.
> > |
> > | 4. Put together a list of all required design/code changes to
> > |    the existing project source code, that result from your
> > |    feedback. From this list we can start assigning owners
> > |    for any needed code changes.
> > |
> > | +=+=+
> > | Rob Rhoads                     mailto:rob.rhoads at intel.com
> > | Staff Software Engineer        office: 503-677-5498
> > | Intel Corporation
> > |
> > | This email message solely contains my own personal views, and not
> > | necessarily those of my employer.
> > | _______________________________________________
> >
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