[cgl_discussion] Re: Sources from each build...

Jeremy A. Puhlman jpuhlman at mvista.com
Tue Sep 24 17:34:03 PDT 2002

Excellent, thank you very much....


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Selbak, Rolla N" <rolla.n.selbak at intel.com>
To: "'Peter Badovinatz'" <tabmowzo at us.ibm.com>; "Craig Griffin" <cgriffin at mvista.com>; "Khalid Aziz" <khalid at fc.hp.com>
Cc: "Shureih, Tariq" <tariq.shureih at intel.com>; "Jeremy A. Puhlman" <jpuhlman at mvista.com>; <cgl_discussion at osdl.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 5:31 PM
Subject: Sources from each build...

> Hey everyone,
> i finished modifying the build scripts
> So included in the OSDL build page will be 
> - The *source* tars of each component
> - One big tar of all of those tars
> This should be reflected in the next build
> thanks,
> rs
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Badovinatz [mailto:tabmowzo at us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 3:03 PM
> To: Craig Griffin; Khalid Aziz
> Cc: Shureih, Tariq; Jeremy A. Puhlman; cgl_discussion at osdl.org
> Subject: Re: Fw: [cgl_discussion] Sources from each build...
> Craig Griffin wrote:
> > 
> > Khalid Aziz wrote:
> > >
> > > By publishing the source code from last known good build, we give people
> > > a convenient way of downloading the last known good sources as a single
> > > file. In general, when one checks out the top of tree from any CVS
> > > archive (CGL or not), one does not expect it to be in usable shape at
> > > all times. Top of the tree may have bugs, or might not build even.
> > > Sources from the last known good build are the only way to get source
> > > code you can put some faith in. Of course, what would be more reliable
> > > would be the sources from last completely tested and validated set of
> > > bits, but we are not there yet. Downloading a single tar file is much
> > > more convenient than checking sources out of CVS. The audience for this
> > > source tarball would be open source community and distros, primarily.
> > 
> > And, a single tar file is exactly what MontaVista needs to be able
> > to integrate and productize from CGL sources in an effective way.
> I don't say this lightly, but, is this single tar file approach
> appropriate for all other parties that may desire to make use of this
> code?  I see the argument for posting only the tarball as being
> reasonable because that simply shows the differences and we shouldn't do
> anything further than that.
> > 
> > In fact, we need a single tar file of the sources you used to build
> > and we need it for EVERY build you post, so we can diff from build
> > to build and so we can follow the threads of integration.
> The true source of code for open source projects should be those
> project's home project sites, should it not?  For instance, any
> distribution not based on kernel 2.4.18 but still wishing to fulfill
> OSDL CGL requiremets is not going to be able to make direct use of these
> bits and will need to go back to the original sources anyway.  Most
> projects will continue their development apart from CGLE and satisfy
> CGLE as but one of any number of interested integrators.
> And given the dynamism of the Linux kernel, and timing of distribution
> releases, kernel skew will be a reality.  CGLE is a point-in-time
> integration.
> What they get from CGLE is an understanding that the pieces have been
> put together and an understanding of the level of work to do so.
> > 
> > Trying to wade through all the CVS stuff, from an MV integration
> > standpoint, from build to build, would be a nightmare.
> MV is one valued and interested integrator.  IMO CGLE has to be a
> resource that draws many parties to appreciate OSDL CGL if we want
> complete acceptance.  It has to show that our Architecture, Requirements
> and Compliance documents are grounded in something resembling reality.
> I know we don't have a compliance document, but we've been told we have
> to have one.
> > 
> > Output whatever format you think necessary to validation/QA.
> > --
> > Craig Griffin, QA Engineer
> > MontaVista Software Inc.
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> > Sunnyvale, CA 94085
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> > cgriffin at mvista.com
> Peter
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