[Chaoss-Board] CHAOSS Goals 2020

Matt Germonprez germonprez at gmail.com
Thu Feb 13 12:57:21 UTC 2020


Thanks Daniel.

I'll certainly make sure this is brought up and we consider how to move
forward on this issue. There seems to be a growing interest and need in
this regard.

Matt

On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 3:57 AM Daniel Izquierdo <
daniel.izquierdo.cortazar at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Sorry for being late to this conversation. After FOSDEM recovery is slow
> :).
>
> Aligned with what Andrea proposed, I was involved years ago in some EU
> funded projects and in some of the cases benchmarking was kind of an
> interesting approach as this brings context to any potential discussion.
>
> I remember there's in another CHAOSS thread a discussion about having a
> software catalogue, so the question I may have if I'm deciding to use
> certain software is how this compares to others.
>
> Benchmarking is not about saying this is good or bad, but you can compare
> certain aspects (e.g., the current metrics release) with your own specific
> project, and this will show how far you are from the average.
>
> I see value in this approach as CHAOSS brings context to the metrics as
> this aggregates project/organization/ecosystem level. And this is useful
> for the following stakeholders:
>
> 1- Open Source Foundations, OSS project managers, community managers, etc,
> as this may help understand if compared to others, and lessons learned can
> flow from one project to another (e.g., why are you so efficient in the
> code review process? or You're very stable in the code production, this
> helps a lot to do certain estimations, how can Iearn from you?).
> 2- This might be useful for OSPOs as this would be a place to have a look
> at and compare if they want the projects that matter to them with well
> known projects. And this would be useful for organizations consuming the
> software as well.
> 3- From the InnerSource world, this is interesting if we go and analyze
> specific use cases such as transparency, communication, etc, as this will
> help to compare how far they are from the 'ideal' world.
>
> I can elaborate a bit more each of the areas if needed :).
>
> Regards,
> Daniel.
>
>
> El mar., 11 feb. 2020 a las 21:40, Matt Germonprez (<germonprez at gmail.com>)
> escribió:
>
>> Agreed. Thanks Andrea. I'll certainly bring this up, not only in the
>> board meeting, but also in the CHAOSS community calls.
>>
>> Also, thanks for the kind words on the metrics release. A lot of work by
>> excellent people :)
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 2:16 PM Georg Link <linkgeorg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Andrea,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the positive feedback on the metrics release.
>>>
>>> What you are describing sounds connected to two threads of discussion
>>> that surface occasionally and we have not made much progress on either:
>>>
>>> 1. Composite Metrics - metrics that are combining (with weights) other
>>> metrics into one. We have some examples in this current release.
>>>
>>> 2. Maturity Models (or other names) - a collection of composite metrics
>>> (simplified). For example this CHAOSScon talk
>>> https://youtu.be/NaC2obrH8vg?t=551 (sorry, I was the speaker).
>>>
>>> I do think that what you are describing has value and a place in the
>>> CHAOSS discussion. :)
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Georg
>>>
>>> On Feb 11, 2020, at 8:23 AM, Andrea Gallo <andrea.gallo at linaro.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Matt, hello all,
>>>
>>> thank you for your email.
>>>
>>> I will join the board meeting via conf call most probably as I shall be
>>> at a different HPC event the very same days.
>>>
>>> First of all, let me share that the recent revamp of the metrics page is
>>> amazing, absolutely fantastic work! I could browse all metrics by category,
>>> read them one by one, etc. I loved the verbose description for each metric
>>> about its use case, etc.
>>>
>>> Congratulations for the hard work and the very neat outcome to the
>>> entire team, it is an amazing progress!
>>>
>>> About goals for 2020, I would like to raise one point for debate. I
>>> remember we discussed this already two years ago in Sonoma so apologies if
>>> this sounds misplaced. We agreed to work on metrics as tools to evaluate
>>> the success of an open source project but at the same time we agreed to
>>> refrain from providing any judgement or comparison of projects.
>>>
>>> Now given that the metrics are growing in number, scope and complexity,
>>> my suggestion as a goal for 2020 would be to propose that we create KPIs or
>>> weighted use of metrics by category in order to come up with some "label"
>>> or "attribute" for each one. Eg. based on the metrics in the GMD category,
>>> could we process and combine them in order to evaluate a "growth" or
>>> "maturity" or "decline" label?
>>>
>>> We would not rate a project as successful or failing yet we would
>>> provide some guidance for each category: growing / mature / declining, safe
>>> or at risk based on governance, license compliance, etc. Large outreach vs
>>> niche project based on diversity, geography, etc.
>>>
>>> I think this may become more valuable as the metrics grow further.
>>>
>>> Happy to accept criticism if this sounds like a bad idea :-)
>>>
>>> Maybe add this to the agenda?
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> Andrea
>>> [image: Linaro] <https://www.linaro.org/>
>>> Andrea Gallo | *VP of Membership Development*
>>> T: +39.338.4075993 | andrea.gallo at linaro.org
>>> Skype: agallo70 | WeChat: andreagallo70
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 16:30, Matt Germonprez <germonprez at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi CHAOSS Board Members,
>>>>
>>>> As a small primer for the board meeting in March, it would be great if
>>>> you could give me a 1 or 2 goals you are hoping the CHAOSS project can
>>>> achieve in 2020. You can send them directly to me or to the list. I'd love
>>>> to get your input.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Matt
>>>>
>>>>
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