[Chaoss-Board] CHAOSS response to FSF

Georg Link linkgeorg at gmail.com
Thu Apr 1 14:42:09 UTC 2021


Agreed! Thanks, Kate :)

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 9:30 AM Kate Stewart <kstewart at linuxfoundation.org>
wrote:

> Hi Georg,
>      "free and open source software" is fine.   Just "open source" on its
> own was going to
> be missing a key facet.
>
> Kate
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 9:27 AM Georg Link <linkgeorg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kate,
>>
>> Thanks for forwarding the GCC email and suggesting to use "free
>> software".
>> How about using "free and open source software" to accommodate the
>> intertwined history and relationship?
>>
>> Best,
>> Georg
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 9:05 AM Kate Stewart <kstewart at linuxfoundation.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Also of relevance to consider, that some of the FSF projects are
>>> signaling
>>> they do not want to be associated with him as well.
>>>
>>> https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-March/235245.html
>>>
>>> I'd consider using the term "free software" rather than "open source",
>>> as he is actively
>>> harming the free software movement,  more than the open source one.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 7:14 AM Sean Goggins <s at goggins.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> To the letter drafted below, you may want to add something along the
>>>> lines of:
>>>>
>>>> As a community, we are aware of statements made by RMS in the past that
>>>> are exclusionary. Of equal, or perhaps great significance, is that as a
>>>> public figure in the open source community who is recognized for
>>>> passionately non-inclusive language, welcoming him onto the board of the
>>>> FSF would send a strong, and possibly lasting signal that Open Source
>>>> Software, in the very largest sense, remains a non-inclusive work context
>>>> for many. At CHAOSS, we are working to help advance open source toward a
>>>> more diverse, equitable, and inclusive future. In that light, we think it
>>>> is critical that we erase any doubt about our guiding principles of a more
>>>> diverse, equitable, and inclusive future for open source software. For
>>>> those reasons, we ask for the immediate removal of RMS from the Free
>>>> Software Foundation Board.
>>>>
>>>> Possibly too strong. However, my point that RMS is more of a risk to
>>>> the future of DEI in open source as a symbol of support for
>>>> non-inclusivity, than he is a threat to DEI individually is the main one.
>>>>
>>>> Sean
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 3:40 PM, Georg Link <linkgeorg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi CHAOSS Board members,
>>>>
>>>> In the DEI Working Group call [1] there was discussion about the
>>>> recent/ongoing concerns related to RMS rejoining the FSF board. As the DEI
>>>> WG is committed to helping organizations and communities center DEI in
>>>> their open source work, the question was raised whether CHAOSS could or
>>>> should have any response. It is possible that the Linux Foundation is also
>>>> responding to this (or already has) and any insight on that would be
>>>> helpful too.
>>>>
>>>> We have three decisions to make and I would love your input.
>>>> We don't need to make the choice right now, we can first discuss.
>>>> I will voice my own opinion in a response to this email tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> *# Decision 1 - YES/NO: Public Statement:* Does CHAOSS make a public
>>>> statement?
>>>>
>>>> Other organizations have publicly stated how they stand on the subject
>>>> of bringing RMS back on board but more broadly about expecting respect and
>>>> dignity from free software and open source leaders. Examples:
>>>>
>>>>    - OpenUK:
>>>>    https://openuk.uk/openuk-response-to-richard-stallmans-reinstatement-to-fsf-board/
>>>>    - RedHat:
>>>>    https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-statement-about-richard-stallmans-return-free-software-foundation-board
>>>>    - Outreachy:
>>>>    https://www.outreachy.org/blog/2021-03-23/fsf-participation-barred/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *# Decision 2 - YES/NO: Community Communication: *Do we, as the board,
>>>> send a message to our community members?
>>>>
>>>> We are lucky with how inclusive the CHAOSS community is and now might
>>>> be a good time to reinforce that this is by design and choice, affirming to
>>>> our community members that we value and strive for DEI, respect, and
>>>> positive.
>>>>
>>>> Here is a draft for the CHAOSS mailing list that we can discuss:
>>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> Hello CHAOSS Community members,
>>>>
>>>> In light of recent events surrounding the FSF, we wanted to reach out
>>>> to our community; specifically those who may feel uncertain what our stance
>>>> is. We wanted to assure you that this community does not condone or
>>>> tolerate harassment or inappropriate conduct at any time.
>>>>
>>>> We would also like to extend our sincere thank you to all of you. Your
>>>> effort and contributions are what make the CHAOSS community who we are. We
>>>> welcome and support everyone.You have all been excellent in creating a
>>>> positive environment by:
>>>>
>>>>    - Using welcoming and inclusive language
>>>>    - Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences
>>>>    - Gracefully accepting constructive criticism
>>>>    - Focusing on what is best for the community
>>>>    - Showing empathy towards other community members
>>>>
>>>> Should you notice unacceptable behavior, please use our process in our Code
>>>> of Conduct <https://chaoss.community/about/code-of-conduct/> to allow
>>>> us to restore the positive environment we are currently enjoying in CHAOSS.
>>>> >>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you to Matt, Nicole, and Elizabeth for helping with the draft.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *# Decision 3 - YES/NO: Sign Open Letter:* Does CHAOSS sign the open
>>>> letter to FSF?
>>>>
>>>> This is the letter: https://rms-open-letter.github.io/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What are your thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Georg
>>>>
>>>> PS: Please remember that the CHAOSS Board mailing list has a public
>>>> archive. You can share your thoughts privately with me and other board
>>>> members by sending a direct email.
>>>>
>>>> [1] CHAOSS DEI meeting from 2021-03-24, starting at minute 28:30
>>>> <https://youtu.be/L_tuEhyLRt4?t=1714>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Georg Link, PhD
>>>> (he/him)
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>>
>> --
>> Georg Link, PhD
>> (he/him)
>>
>

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