[Chaoss-Board] CHAOSS response to FSF

Georg Link linkgeorg at gmail.com
Sat Apr 3 18:00:57 UTC 2021


Thanks everyone.

Sending email now.
Not moderating list unless we have an issue.

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 10:19 AM Sean Goggins <s at goggins.com> wrote:

> I think Georg has sufficient input to act, now, and I support however we
> proceed 100%.
>
> Moderating the email list seems like too much labor. If I see something
> come across that I do not think follows our code of conduct, I will email
> according to the process outlined in the code of conduct itself.
>
> https://github.com/chaoss/governance/blob/master/code-of-conduct.md
>
> Sean
>
> On Apr 3, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Amy <amy at demarco.com> wrote:
>
> I agree on the email and I can go either way on the blog post. I do not
> think we should moderate the mailing list.
>
> Thanks for all the work and the discussions on this.
>
> Amy
>
> On Apr 3, 2021, at 4:50 AM, Daniel Izquierdo <
> daniel.izquierdo.cortazar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Hi Georg, and everyone else,
>
> Thanks for moving this forward. I think this is an important action to do.
>
> I agree with the comments and the communication channel to use (email +
> blog post).
>
> With respect to the mailing list moderation, we already have a CoC and
> this is referenced in the email proposal. I'm not against moderating the
> list for a while, but who are we to moderate someone's opinion? Another
> case is to moderate new people joining the discussion during these days as
> they may join for a specific reason.
>
> Regards,
> Daniel.
>
>
>
> El vie, 2 abr 2021 a las 15:58, Georg Link (<linkgeorg at gmail.com>)
> escribió:
>
>> Hi CHAOSS Board Members,
>>
>> TL/DR, proposals:
>>
>>    1. Community Communication: YES, send Saturday (tomorrow).
>>    2. Public Statement: YES, publish the same email on our blog on
>>    Monday (in 3 days).
>>    3. Sign Open Letter: NO.
>>
>>
>> Thank you for chiming in on this important topic.
>> Following is a summary of what I've heard (including private emails) and
>> proposals for each decision.
>>
>> *# 1. Community Communication*
>> I heard only support for our internal email to CHAOSS members with the
>> following edit suggestions:
>> * Sean: Add statement about RMS. Suggestion was revoked to stay positive
>> and not give RMS more attention.
>> * Kate: Use "free and open source" instead of "open source" -- The email
>> contains neither, that was in Sean's proposal.
>> * Don: Spell out DEI -- The email doesn't contain DEI, that was only in
>> our comments.
>> ===> No changes made to the email draft.
>>
>> *[x] Proposal:** YES*, send email. Following a lazy consensus approach,
>> I'll wait another day before sending the email to the CHAOSS community
>> mailing list. This will have given everyone 3 days to object and improve
>> the proposal.
>>
>>
>> *# 2. Public Statement*
>> I heard mixed opinions about this but no strong support. The email to our
>> members seems to do justice to the situation.
>>
>> *[x] Proposal:** YES, but* we publish the same email also on our CHAOSS
>> blog to give it a bit more visibility long-term compared to the mailing
>> list archive only. Following a lazy consensus approach, I'll wait until
>> Monday before publishing the blog post, giving everyone another 3 days to
>> object to and improve this proposal.
>>
>>
>> *# 3. Sign Open Letter*
>> I heard very little on this topic because most discussion was about the
>> email to the community.
>>
>> *[x] Proposal: **NO*. No lazy consensus needed since this is inaction.
>> We can change our mind any time.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Georg
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 3:40 PM Georg Link <linkgeorg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi CHAOSS Board members,
>>>
>>> In the DEI Working Group call [1] there was discussion about the
>>> recent/ongoing concerns related to RMS rejoining the FSF board. As the DEI
>>> WG is committed to helping organizations and communities center DEI in
>>> their open source work, the question was raised whether CHAOSS could or
>>> should have any response. It is possible that the Linux Foundation is also
>>> responding to this (or already has) and any insight on that would be
>>> helpful too.
>>>
>>> We have three decisions to make and I would love your input.
>>> We don't need to make the choice right now, we can first discuss.
>>> I will voice my own opinion in a response to this email tomorrow.
>>>
>>> *# Decision 1 - YES/NO: Public Statement:* Does CHAOSS make a public
>>> statement?
>>>
>>> Other organizations have publicly stated how they stand on the subject
>>> of bringing RMS back on board but more broadly about expecting respect and
>>> dignity from free software and open source leaders. Examples:
>>>
>>>    - OpenUK:
>>>    https://openuk.uk/openuk-response-to-richard-stallmans-reinstatement-to-fsf-board/
>>>    - RedHat:
>>>    https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-statement-about-richard-stallmans-return-free-software-foundation-board
>>>    - Outreachy:
>>>    https://www.outreachy.org/blog/2021-03-23/fsf-participation-barred/
>>>
>>>
>>> *# Decision 2 - YES/NO: Community Communication: *Do we, as the board,
>>> send a message to our community members?
>>>
>>> We are lucky with how inclusive the CHAOSS community is and now might be
>>> a good time to reinforce that this is by design and choice, affirming to
>>> our community members that we value and strive for DEI, respect, and
>>> positive.
>>>
>>> Here is a draft for the CHAOSS mailing list that we can discuss:
>>>
>>> >>>
>>> Hello CHAOSS Community members,
>>>
>>> In light of recent events surrounding the FSF, we wanted to reach out to
>>> our community; specifically those who may feel uncertain what our stance
>>> is. We wanted to assure you that this community does not condone or
>>> tolerate harassment or inappropriate conduct at any time.
>>>
>>> We would also like to extend our sincere thank you to all of you. Your
>>> effort and contributions are what make the CHAOSS community who we are. We
>>> welcome and support everyone.You have all been excellent in creating a
>>> positive environment by:
>>>
>>>    - Using welcoming and inclusive language
>>>    - Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences
>>>    - Gracefully accepting constructive criticism
>>>    - Focusing on what is best for the community
>>>    - Showing empathy towards other community members
>>>
>>> Should you notice unacceptable behavior, please use our process in our Code
>>> of Conduct <https://chaoss.community/about/code-of-conduct/> to allow
>>> us to restore the positive environment we are currently enjoying in CHAOSS.
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> Thank you to Matt, Nicole, and Elizabeth for helping with the draft.
>>>
>>>
>>> *# Decision 3 - YES/NO: Sign Open Letter:* Does CHAOSS sign the open
>>> letter to FSF?
>>>
>>> This is the letter: https://rms-open-letter.github.io/
>>>
>>>
>>> What are your thoughts?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Georg
>>>
>>> PS: Please remember that the CHAOSS Board mailing list has a public
>>> archive. You can share your thoughts privately with me and other board
>>> members by sending a direct email.
>>>
>>> [1] CHAOSS DEI meeting from 2021-03-24, starting at minute 28:30
>>> <https://youtu.be/L_tuEhyLRt4?t=1714>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Georg Link, PhD
>>> (he/him)
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Georg Link, PhD
>> (he/him)
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