[Chaoss-Board] CHAOSS to partner with other projects like the TODO Group?

Wed Sep 22 11:56:49 UTC 2021

Hi Daniel:

These are great suggestions. I think we can handle things like the
Risk/Augur presentations, which are highly relevant and attributed, in a
similar manner to Georg's presentations. As we move forward, we do need to
maintain awareness of the evolving priorities and brands of each group. For
the moment, we have two things that are right on the mark of initiating the
partnership, and we should go with that, I think.

Sean

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On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 4:45 PM Daniel Izquierdo <
daniel.izquierdo.cortazar at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> Thanks Georg for opening this thread.  I think it's worth having this
> conversation at the board meeting and here open for discussion in the
> meantime.
>
> Going to the point: there are some things we should take care of and the
> brand is one of them. In this case this is a close and friend community we
> all know, but even though my suggestion is we should foster good practices
> when  using the CHAOSS brand.
>
> If CHAOSS is partnering with any other community and both parties agree,
> there should be some marketing actions involved, strategy in place (why are
> we doing this in CHAOSS?) and potential reporting back.
>
> Let's go to the other extreme: What would we do if people start using the
> CHAOSS brand without proper attribution or not according to CHAOSS
> community expectations? This is the issue I see. And we've had on the table
> a similar issue of others using CHAOSS technology and not properly
> attributing its authors in the past. This is a serious thing  to have in
> mind.
>
> The second topic I'd like to see when partnering with others is
> reciprocity. If the CHAOSS community is open, welcoming, transparent, and
> this allows anyone to participate with no wall in between.  I'd like to ask
> our partners to behave in a similar way, being transparent, welcoming to
> anyone, and well, if possible be like the CHAOSS community.
>
> If this sounds kind of reasonable, and we are interested in building the
> CHAOSS ecosystem, then we may need to work on what an engagement with
> others communities mean for us, have this written down,  and then proceed
> accordingly :).
>
> What do you think? Does this rationale make sense?
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel.
>
>
> El mar., 21 sept. 2021 22:53, Sean Goggins <s at goggins.com> escribió:
>
>> Hi Georg,
>>
>> This is a great idea, and I think we should be enthusiastic to be
>> involved. I’m sure the TODO Group would be quite interested in the work of
>> the Risk Working Group, and the new dependency analysis capabilities our
>> GSoC students built into Augur this summer.
>>
>> Introductions welcome!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Sean
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2021, at 11:58 AM, Georg Link <linkgeorg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi CHAOSS Board Members,
>>
>> Last week, I spoke with Ana Jimenez, the TODO Group Program Manager. She
>> is opening up the TODO Group to be more inclusive and working with
>> partners. I have the impression that the TODO Group has come a long way
>> from its start as a closed mailing list.
>>
>> I have agreed to be a speaker at the TODO Group's OSPOlogy series of
>> webinars, to talk about metrics for OSPOs. Also, for the session with
>> Stephen Jacobs, I agreed to do the introduction as a representative of
>> CHAOSS since the OPEN at RIT's Mystic project builds on CHAOSS GrimoireLab
>> tools.
>>
>> I just learned that CHAOSS is now listed as a partner of the TODO Group:
>> https://community.linuxfoundation.org/todo-group/
>>
>> I'm approaching you all since you are the stewards of the CHAOSS Project
>> and its brand. To my knowledge, we don't have a formal process for a
>> decision to become partners.
>>
>> My personal opinion is that we should connect with other projects,
>> including the TODO Group, and work together on topics that are core to
>> CHAOSS's mission. Whether that results in a recognized partnership is a
>> discussion for the governing board.
>>
>> My understanding is that a TODO Group partnership means we get invited
>> when topics around metrics or project health are on the agenda.
>>
>> It would be great to discuss as a CHAOSS Governing Board, whether we want
>> to be TODO Group partners and whether we want to establish guidelines
>> around becoming partners with other projects.
>>
>> Best,
>> Georg
>>
>> PS: As you are composing your thoughts on the topic, please note that
>> this Governing Board mailing list has a public archive, so if you have a
>> private thought, please send it directly to board members' email addresses.
>>
>> --
>> Georg Link, PhD
>> (he/him)
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