[CHAOSS] Opening discussion on using Discourse Forum for CHAOSS

Sun Nov 18 23:50:14 UTC 2018

Yes, I observe most decisions having been made or confirmed in calls for
the overall CHAOSS project and within our workgroups.

I observed that the discussion boiled down to an agreement that we do not
want too many communication channels and should choose either Discourse or
mailing lists. You and I advocated for Discourse, most others were
indifferent with questions about change. I view the default option to be
"no change" unless with the support from more people.

We could, as the D&I workgroup, abandon our mailing list in favor of
Discourse and maybe the rest of CHAOSS will follow. The workgroups are
given autonomy in how they want to organize.

On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 5:33 PM Emma Irwin <eirwin at mozilla.com> wrote:

> Great but I'm still wondering; is this how decisions work generally?
> (Dependent on call participation?)
> Genuinely curious and helps my own research ;)
>
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018, 3:17 PM Georg Link <glink at unomaha.edu wrote:
>
>> Hi Emma,
>>
>> Thanks for keeping me honest.
>>
>> From the recording
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DPGQylNirtM4&d=DwMFaQ&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=P2SSJg6nDRqSw6MK6ZVW76NaDtv69G3wvyOnOxwzqv0&m=GsI5ItYj1t8XACBsAWBhhFkTfp-ALY5qVFlEmh8r6XA&s=T8NB_DvM_bNtTX-hCXjb55SQYzasZEU7CNBM4Cb-07g&e=>,
>> I reconstruct that on the call were:
>> - Sean Goggins
>> - Matt Germonprez
>> - Georg Link
>> - Ben Lloyd Pearson
>> - Ray Paik
>> - Matthew Snell
>> - Dawn Foster
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 1:39 PM Emma Irwin <eirwin at mozilla.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Georg
>>>
>>> *Who* decided would also be interesting to know. Or rather, who is 'we'
>>> from project decision making perspective. Not a challenge just curious :)
>>>
>>> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018, 10:23 AM Georg Link <glink at unomaha.edu wrote:
>>>
>>>> Update:
>>>> On Tuesday's call, we favored the following approach.
>>>> NO CHANGE: Do not use Discourse and continue using mailing lists.
>>>> Next time we see the need for a new mailing list, we have Discourse
>>>> waiting for us and we can consider moving mailing list communications over
>>>> to Discourse.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion here on the
>>>> mailing list and on various calls.
>>>>
>>>> Georg
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 12:34 PM Georg Link <glink at unomaha.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for the additional comments Jesus, and Stefano.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding FOSS requirement: Discourse (the software) is licensed under
>>>>> GPL-v2
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_discourse_discourse_blob_master_LICENSE.txt&d=DwMFaQ&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=P2SSJg6nDRqSw6MK6ZVW76NaDtv69G3wvyOnOxwzqv0&m=OvQoKqam-Cnlz5OFzTVFFnif5N0HLmKt4vzn7JrxUJM&s=yzo0VuI5aReX5Z4-kVykKcAXpzosffSrx9xDo6If01E&e=>.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If hosting by Civilized Discourse Construction Kit, Inc. (the company)
>>>>> is a concern, we can ask LF to host it for us.
>>>>> It seems easier to secure hosting from the company behind the software.
>>>>> I don't see a problem, because we can export all data and move hosting
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__meta.discourse.org_t_move-2Dyour-2Ddiscourse-2Dinstance-2Dto-2Da-2Ddifferent-2Dserver_15721&d=DwMFaQ&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=P2SSJg6nDRqSw6MK6ZVW76NaDtv69G3wvyOnOxwzqv0&m=OvQoKqam-Cnlz5OFzTVFFnif5N0HLmKt4vzn7JrxUJM&s=agL2HBx8llWXwwWKlcxnLcWkx3u_uX4gS5UBit57M20&e=>
>>>>> at any time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Georg
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 3:53 AM, Stefano Zacchiroli <zack at upsilon.cc>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 01:06:55PM -0800, dmg wrote:
>>>>>> > - we should let the working groups use whatever tools they want, as
>>>>>> long as:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >   - the communications are archived, and the archives can be browsed
>>>>>> > without any further credentials
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's the definition of "archived" here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In particular: considering the offer at hand is a Discourse instance
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> hosted by CHAOSS / LF, would that be enough?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Don't get me wrong: I totally agree with the proposed "should be
>>>>>> archived" requirement. I just think it's much harder to comply with
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> it might appear at first. I blame my software archivist bias :-))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Stefano Zacchiroli . zack at upsilon.cc . upsilon.cc/zack
>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__upsilon.cc_zack&d=DwMFaQ&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=P2SSJg6nDRqSw6MK6ZVW76NaDtv69G3wvyOnOxwzqv0&m=OvQoKqam-Cnlz5OFzTVFFnif5N0HLmKt4vzn7JrxUJM&s=jBucF4SCR8IGAsUFkgml8dWwAFQfqw3H2SYu8uJ4mgM&e=>
>>>>>> . . o . . . o . o
>>>>>> Computer Science Professor . CTO Software Heritage . . . . . o . . .
>>>>>> o o
>>>>>> Former Debian Project Leader & OSI Board Director  . . . o o o . . .
>>>>>> o .
>>>>>> « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Georg J.P. Link
>>>>> PhD Candidate
>>>>> College of Information Science and Technology | PKI 367
>>>>> University of Nebraska at Omaha | www.unomaha.edu
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Georg J.P. Link
>>>> PhD Candidate
>>>> College of Information Science and Technology | PKI 367
>>>> University of Nebraska at Omaha | www.unomaha.edu
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>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Georg J.P. Link
>> PhD Candidate
>> College of Information Science and Technology | PKI 367
>> University of Nebraska at Omaha | www.unomaha.edu
>>
>

-- 
Georg J.P. Link
PhD Candidate
College of Information Science and Technology | PKI 367
University of Nebraska at Omaha | www.unomaha.edu
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