[Desktop_architects] Desktop Meeting in Japan, Jun. 1

Egbert Eich eich at suse.de
Mon Jun 12 01:53:18 PDT 2006


There seems to be a certain scenario that I picked up from the 
last face-to-face osdl meeting in Germany: These are three points
that I picked up from comments from people from the East Asian
community:
- communication style in our community seems to be offensive and 
  intimidating to people from Asia. 
  As the relationship teacher-student is different in Asia
  (students don't argue what the teacher says) novices appearing on
  an open source communication channel are unlikely to engage in discussions
  about replies they receive. 
  If replies received on questions which did not meet the standards
  expected are not very welcoming it is unliekly to ever see that 
  person back.
- Althought the population in Asia probably outnumbers the rest of
  the world the education system in some of the Asian countries (this is
  certainly not true for all) is not such that people are able to
  contribute in our community.
- Professionals who acquire enough skills to contribute will most 
  likely climb up the ladder in their companies to positions where
  they are no longer exposed to software development issues.
- For many east asian cultures it seems to be out of the question that
  people would send any spare time (outside of their professional life)
  to contribute to open source projects.
Please note that I'm just listing points that I learned without making
any judgements and it may well be that not all of them are true everywhere.


Cheers,
	Egbert.

Chang-Won Ahn (ETRI) writes:
 > Frankly speaking, I think that we, most of asian developers,
 > has been the "free rider" in a some sense.
 > Though there are many localization projects, they don't seem
 > to be substantial contributions, in return for Open Community.
 > 
 > I don't know yet what the real reasons are for this loose-loose situation.
 > It can be language and cultural barriers. Or it can be ture that we didn't
 > understand so far what the "opensourcing" was exactly.
 > 
 > But the important thing is that CJK don't want to be a free rider any more.
 > I am sure that you should hear much more voices from asia
 > back to the Open Community in the near future.
 > 
 > 
 > thanks,
 > 
 > 
 > Chang-Won
 > 
 > -- 
 > Chang-Won AHN (ahn at etri.re.kr)
 > 
 > "When minds interact, new ideas will emerge !!"
 > "In essentials unity, In non-essentials liberty, In all things charity."
 > 
 > 
 > On 6/10/06, Takaaki Higuchi <Takaaki.Higuchi at sun.com> wrote:
 > >
 > > Bastian, Waldo wrote:
 > > > The problem with the disconnect between the asian markets and current
 > > > open source development communities is that in the above analysis these
 > > > markets classify as a whole in the "free rider" category which makes
 > > > them essentially uninteresting for the development community. A
 > > > loose-loose situation for both sides.
 > > Some might be "free rider", but language barrier is very high
 > > for us in my observation at least in Japan.
 > >
 > > There are so many localized development efforts, but sometimes
 > > they are not put back to the upstreams. In most of cases,
 > > there are some mis or no communications because of language barrier.
 > >
 > > regards,
 > > Takaaki Higuchi
 > >
 > >
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 > Frankly speaking, I think that we, most of asian developers, <br>has been the &quot;free rider&quot; in a some sense. <br>Though there are many localization projects, they don't seem<br>to be substantial contributions, in return for Open Community.
 > <br><br>I don't know yet what the real reasons are for this loose-loose situation. <br>It can be language and cultural barriers. Or it can be ture that we didn't <br>understand so far what the &quot;opensourcing&quot; was exactly.  
 > <br><br>But the important thing is that CJK don't want to be a free rider any more. <br>I am sure that you should hear much more voices from asia <br>back to the Open Community in the near future. <br><br><br>thanks,<br><br>
 > <br>Chang-Won<br><br>-- <br>Chang-Won AHN (<a href="mailto:ahn at etri.re.kr">ahn at etri.re.kr</a>)<br><br>&quot;When minds interact, new ideas will emerge !!&quot;<br>&quot;In essentials unity, In non-essentials liberty, In all things charity.&quot;
 > <br><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/10/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Takaaki Higuchi</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:Takaaki.Higuchi at sun.com">Takaaki.Higuchi at sun.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" DEFANGED_style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
 > Bastian, Waldo wrote:<br>&gt; The problem with the disconnect between the asian markets and current<br>&gt; open source development communities is that in the above analysis these<br>&gt; markets classify as a whole in the &quot;free rider&quot; category which makes
 > <br>&gt; them essentially uninteresting for the development community. A<br>&gt; loose-loose situation for both sides.<br>Some might be &quot;free rider&quot;, but language barrier is very high<br>for us in my observation at least in Japan.
 > <br><br>There are so many localized development efforts, but sometimes<br>they are not put back to the upstreams. In most of cases,<br>there are some mis or no communications because of language barrier.<br><br>regards,<br>
 > Takaaki Higuchi<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Desktop_architects mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Desktop_architects at lists.osdl.org">Desktop_architects at lists.osdl.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.osdl.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop_architects">
 > https://lists.osdl.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop_architects</a><br></blockquote></div>
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