[Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Security
Laura Abbott
labbott at redhat.com
Sun Sep 23 13:15:59 UTC 2018
On 09/22/2018 06:16 AM, Dan Carpenter wrote:
> Sort of related to this. I think we should have a public email list to
> discuss potential security problems. We've actually talked about making
> the security at kernel.org list public at some point when people started
> flooding it with static checker warnings about potential SELinux missing
> checks.
>
> The downsides are 1) Maintainers will be annoyed. They don't want me or
> anyone to forward them static checker output (they are polite about
> this). But they also want to be the first to know about real bugs found
> by static analysis. These are conflicting and impossible desires... 2)
> Script kiddies will follow the list and learn about bugs earlier. I
> don't see this as a huge issue if we restricted it to driver specific
> bugs.
>
> Security work is lonely. Everyone expects *all* the bugs to be fixed
> perfectly and in absolute secrecy.
>
> Every other special interest group has a mailing list linux in
> automotive or small kernels. Security would be the same. Also I
> sometimes see obviously bad security fixes. There is one integer
> overflow fixes which I have re-fixed three times. Older me is able to
> review other people's integer overflow fixes and spot bugs. It would be
> good to have a way to share that knowledge.
>
> Most maintainers do not want to deal with more than a 5% false positive
> rate in static checker warnings. I, on the other hand, regularly deal
> with a 95% false positive checks and there are probably other people
> like me who can spend a whole day looking and feel happy to find one
> bug.
>
I think there's two different categories here: there's a general
security interest group and security response. security at kernel.org
is supposed to be security response for coordination. kernel-hardening
kind of fills the security interest list but maybe it's still separate.
I do support having more discussion of security bugs publicly while
also having a discussion about security response since we get a non-zero
number of reports that requires more careful handling.
Thanks,
Laura
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