[Lightning-dev] Wumbological local AND global features

ZmnSCPxj ZmnSCPxj at protonmail.com
Sat Nov 17 22:55:12 UTC 2018

Good morning list,

> I realized the other day that the wumbo bit should also likely encompass wumbo
> payments. What good is a wumbo channel that doesn't also allow wumbo payments?
> Naturally if the bit is signalled globally, then this should also signal the
> willingness of the node to forward larger payments up to their max_htlc limit
> within the channel_update for that link.

This certainly is true, but, much of the wumbo payments would be implemented by AMP.

If there is no direct path of wumborama nodes from payer to payee, then wumbo payments will have to be done by AMP.
It would be nice if we could have AMP merge into intermediate nodes instead of always at the destination --- that way, only the suffix of the path needs to be wumborama.
Certainly this would be less of an issue as more nodes signal wumborama; we know from previous user behavior that they will be #reckless and enable wumborama as soon as it is implemented.


> On a similar note, I was reviewing the newer-ish section of the spec concerning
> the optional max_htlc value. I noticed an inconsistency: it states the value
> should be below the max capacity of the channel, but makes no reference to the
> current (pre wumbo) _max HTLC limit_. As a result, as it reads now, one may
> interpret signalling of the optional field as eligibility to route wumbo
> payments in a pre-wumbo channel world.
> -- Laolu
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 3:34 PM Rusty Russell <rusty at rustcorp.com.au> wrote:
>> ZmnSCPxj via Lightning-dev <lightning-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> writes:
>>> Thus, I propose:
>>> * The local feature bit `option_i_wumbo_you_wumbo`, which indicates that the node is willing to wumbo with its counterparty in the connection.
>>> * The global feature bit `option_anyone_can_wumbo`, which indicates that the node is willing to wumbo with any node.
>> I think we need to name `option_anyone_can_wumbo` to `option_wumborama`?
>> Otherwise, this looks excellent.
>> Thanks,
>> Rusty.
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