[lsb-futures] Re: Configuration File Spec part of LSB?

Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando gorlando at futuretg.com
Wed Jul 17 05:34:52 PDT 2002

Bo Thorsen wrote:

>On Tuesday 16 July 2002 16:44, Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
>>Matt Wilson wrote:
>>>On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 at 03:44:58PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
>>>>The second observation I would make is that given the merger of SuSE,
>>>>Turbo Linux, Caldera, etc. into the United Linux distribution, if
>>>>you're right that SuSE is already using the rc.config.d system here
>>>>are some things that could be done to popularize it.
>>>>1)  Try to convince Red Hat to adopt this scheme.
>>>>2)  Try to convince Debian to adopt this scheme.  (Be prepared for
>>>>nasty politics.)
>>>>3) Suggest that this directory be documented in the Filesystem
>>>>Hierarchy Standard.
>>>It is safe to say that more distributions are using an /etc/sysconfig
>>>scheme than anything else.  In SuSE Linux 8.0 there is an
>>>/etc/sysconfig directory, but the file contents don't match the other
>>>/etc/sysconfig-using distros.
>>    I wrote a Complete Training for all these distro, and therefore I
>>know very well
>>    what they did.
>>    Would be 100 times more easy that SuSE adopt a RedHat Linux
>>complaint System
>>    like Caldera, Conectiva adopt in the past. I don't remember
>>TurboLinux, but also
>>    them seems uses a "standard" IBM/HP/Silicon/SCO behaviour.
>>    SuSE is "another planet" ... on Linux.
>>    Different "init" level (5 is not included, 3 is equivalent to 2), a
>>lot of etc...
>>    About SysV init dir they have also difference.
>>    Just to be "rude" with SuSE ... will be better if they forget what
>>they did
>>    in the past and moves to join to "the rest of us" .
>You are rude, because you do not know what you are talking about here. Take a 
>look at SuSE 8.0 and you will realize that all of your problems are now 
Probably 8.0 solve "something".

After more than three years ... evaluating and writing training for SuSE 
(and also
for RedHat, ... Caldera, LinuxPPC, etc) ... I move my attention to "build" a
distribution ... instead to follows "strange" implementations.

SuSE ... is the most strange ... beleive me.

If you are now "complaint" ... this is good for you ...

What do you will do ... refund the money to all the SuSE clients ... in 
the last four years?

With Linux ... everyone can develop what they prefer.

Change init levels number to another sense, re-arrange filesystem 
hierarchy ... are propose
this like a UNIX ... is simply very stupid (or not logical, in warm english)

The most "crazy" fact, is SuSE certification. Certifiing people on a 
from any other UNIX flavor in history.

Where will get a job these SuSE certified people ... at SuSE?

No other companies will offer a job to them.

If you are now "complaint" with other UNIX ... I am happy.

All the other Linux companies ... was "complaint" or "standard" from the 
first version:
RedHat, Caldera ... and other that follows these schema.

So ... like I stat before ... SuSE start to forget they strange 
behaviour and understand what UNIX  (read Linux)

>The init level differences are now a year old.
>And the attitude that 'SuSE is "another planet" ... on Linux' is also wrong. 
>SuSE predates Red Hat and have been following the way it was done until Red 
>Hat changed everything. This is the reason people from other unices felt more 
>at home in older SuSE releases, because these felt more alike.
>I'm sorry if you know see me as rude, but there were too many mistakes in your 
>mail for me to keep my mouth shot. And since SuSE now does basically what RH 

Would SuSE refund the money because sell something that 'only' SuSE call 
Linux ?


>the discussion at lsb level doesn't make sense anyway.


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