[lsb-discuss] LSB conf call notes for 2008-04-16
jeff at licquia.org
Wed Apr 16 09:32:32 PDT 2008
Attendees: Mats Wichmann, Stew Benedict, Dan Kohn, Carlos Duclos, Jesper
Thomschultz, Kay Tate, Russ Herrold, Jeff Licquia, Vladimir Rubanov,
Alexey Khoroshilov, Marc Miller, Ted Tso, Marvin Heffler, George Kraft,
New notes format, with broken-up sections. Feedback welcome.
LF Summit. Jeff: very successful. First day had IDC analyst talk on
future Linux adoption, which seems to confirm the direction the LSB is
Dan: Mobile track. Three efforts: LiMo, GNOME, Android.
Dan: Also, reminder about request sent over weekend to the list;
downstream users of LSB.
Ted: Mobile requirements. Dan: Moblin/GNOME similar to LSB Desktop,
with some uplifts. Are in fact using the LSB tools and tests, slightly
forked; are working to get those changes contributed back. Mats: noting
much interesting to sync back yet; work done is partial. Dan: would
want to track future changes. Ted: some of these demands will impact
the database infrastructure.
Robert: talking about the "embedded" profile on the list. Could use
clarification; still confused. Seems like "server profile" makes more
sense. Dan: problem is that current server products ship graphical
components, for config and other things, that can even be accessed
remotely. Robert: "embeeded" doesn't mean much. Ted: nervous about the
name, doing a profile just for one distro. Need to understand binary
compatibility issue on embedded. Mobile is different.
Dan: requirement is for CGL. Ted: we need to understand how ISVs for
CGL do business. Robert: problem is that people equate "embedded" with
small devices, not servers. Ted: servers will ship full LSB anyway,
don't want confusion about whether an app will work or not. Darren:
embedded cases will be unique. Dan: name isn't terribly important.
Jeff: is this aimed at CGL? Dan: yes. Darren: maybe call it "CGL
Carlos: is the problem related to graphics? Dan: "non-GUI profile".
Carlos: Qt is more than just a GUI. Ted: this illustrates how we really
need to know what CGL wants. Need to hear from the distros themselves.
Dan: cross-posted the message to the CGL people.
Dan: Problem is that people are certifying to 3.0 to fulfill the LSB
requirement in order to avoid the GUI. Carlos: also need to talk to
ISVs. Ted: also need to know what to do with other areas besides GUI.
Jeff: RPM plan is to make the uplift low priority, do a rpm build tool
as higher priority. Russ: not a good idea. v3 is obsolete for 8 years;
uplift or drop and use tarballs. Ted: what ISVs need in LSB aren't the
same as what the distros need. Russ: pre- and post-install scripts,
pre-and-post triggers. Ted: many of those are not necessarily
high-priority for the ISVs. Russ: not the case. Each use post
triggers. Format doesn't work. Don't use it because it doesn't work.
Discussion of RPM 5. Ted: to be clear, RPM 4 is what RH/SuSE support?
Russ: yes. Supported by RPM 4 distros; not supported by Debian (not in
alien). Ted: partial update? Russ: not useful. Jeff: why not? Russ:
tarballs could do the same job.
Jeff: won't solve this on the call; can Russ send a summary of issues?
Russ: been done. Jeff: pointer? Russ will send a pointer. Jeff will
add the information to the right places on the LSB wiki. Problem is
that the info wasn't recognized during the Summit. Ted: also, needs to
be presented in an even-tempered way; flames often get ignored even if
they contain valuable info.
Jeff: also, there's interest from ISVs in an easy-to-use tool to build a
RPM from simple metadata. Russ: not that simple. Jeff: ISVs think RPMs
are too difficult; an easier-to-use tool isn't better? Russ: no.
George: next week's call will be attended by stakeholders for the
OpenSSL problem, so we can try to make progress there. NSS people
invited. Jeff: OpenSSL? George: not yet. Ted: core people should be
on the page. George will look again. Carlos: legal issues? (crypto)
Ted: largely solved from the US point of view. Jeff: legal issues would
be good to bring up next week with the stakeholders in the room.
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