[lsb-discuss] LSB format packaging and security

Giovanni A. Orlando gorlando at futuretg.com
Mon Apr 21 08:33:24 PDT 2008


Jeff Johnson wrote:
>
> On Apr 21, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
>
>>
>> Of course I know it ... but we need something free including sources.
>>
>
> If you _REALLY_ want to save the world for GNU, then start asking
> InstallShield to open source their code base. 
Yes ... I want it ... Absolutely.
> Why stop with linux, wouldn't Windows users like you benefit from 
> "freely available"
> (and "free") "standard" installers everywhere?
>
> BTW, if you think the code in rpm or LSB is poorly written, please permit
> me to share an exhibit from my "Packaging Hall of Shame"
>
I don't said that. I said that RPM is Obsolete. What I means? ... Well, 
people (Linux users) need something
easy to install. Just like a point-and-click under Windows. Because I 
really appreciate Free Software, like
Python for Windows, OpenOffice for Windows, DrPython for Windows, PHP, 
Apache and other software for
Windows, ... So, why these software originally developer for and on 
Linux have good graphical installers on
Windows, and on Linux ... they don't have?

This is the 'really' point.

I will not request InstallShield (there are also others like 
ZeroInstall, AutoPackage for free) to be released their
code. I prefer to write a new one.

InstallAnyWhere looks the 'state-of-art'.

Thanks,
Giovanni.
> I have 3 packages in the exhibit:
>     0994ecebe3be53f7da9af371fbd1cccf-5.7-2        Sat 10 Sep 2005 
> 01:46:36 PM EDT
>     e0988ac5c38932c12da52bc9807dd1fc-5.7-2        Sat 10 Sep 2005 
> 01:46:33 PM EDT
>     c3deffe61b09557dc76ad4c14469bc37-5.7-2        Sat 10 Sep 2005 
> 01:46:26 PM EDT
>
> The packages (in rpm format because they ended up in 
> /var/lib/rpm/Packages
> after installing) were installed by WebSphere/linux using 
> InstallShield implemented
> in Java.
>
> The packages were built locally by the WebSphere installer, they were not
> present in the original content when I tore it apart.
>
> The run-time image of the installer was 562 Mb while installing on a 
> RHEL4 platform.
>
> What fascinates me (RPM is an occupational hazard of mine) is that the 
> 3 entries in
> my rpmdb contain no files, no dependencies, empty description and 
> summary,
> no scriptlets, and have odd names that appear to be MD5 digests:
>
> Name        : 0994ecebe3be53f7da9af371fbd1cccf  Relocations: (not 
> relocatable)
> Version     : 5.7                               Vendor: IBM
> Release     : 2                             Build Date: Sat 10 Sep 
> 2005 01:46:35 PM EDT
> Install Date: Sat 10 Sep 2005 01:46:36 PM   Build Host: wellfleet.jbj.org
> Group       : NA                            Source RPM: 
> 0994ecebe3be53f7da9af371fbd1cccf-5.7-2.src.rpm
> Size        : 0                                License: NA
> Signature   : (none)
> URL         : http://www.ibm.com/software/wireless/wme
> Summary     : NA
> Description :
>
> Name        : e0988ac5c38932c12da52bc9807dd1fc  Relocations: (not 
> relocatable)
> Version     : 5.7                               Vendor: IBM
> Release     : 2                             Build Date: Sat 10 Sep 
> 2005 01:46:32 PM EDT
> Install Date: Sat 10 Sep 2005 01:46:33 PM   Build Host: wellfleet.jbj.org
> Group       : NA                            Source RPM: 
> e0988ac5c38932c12da52bc9807dd1fc-5.7-2.src.rpm
> Size        : 0                                License: NA
> Signature   : (none)
> URL         : http://www.ibm.com/software/wireless/wme
> Summary     : NA
> Description :
>
> Name        : c3deffe61b09557dc76ad4c14469bc37  Relocations: (not 
> relocatable)
> Version     : 5.7                               Vendor: IBM
> Release     : 2                             Build Date: Sat 10 Sep 
> 2005 01:46:25 PM EDT
> Install Date: Sat 10 Sep 2005 01:46:26 PM   Build Host: wellfleet.jbj.org
> Group       : NA                            Source RPM: 
> c3deffe61b09557dc76ad4c14469bc37-5.7-2.src.rpm
> Size        : 0                                License: NA
> Signature   : (none)
> URL         : http://www.ibm.com/software/wireless/wme
> Summary     : NA
> Description :
>
> But I guess ISV (presumably IBM WebSphere qualifies) have speshul needs
> from RPM packaging that can only be supplied by LSB format.
>
> </scarcasm>
>
> Sure was a pretty GUI though ...
>
> 73 de Jeff
>
>


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