[lsb-discuss] LSB conf call notes for 2008-08-06
jeff at licquia.org
Wed Aug 6 21:40:13 PDT 2008
Attendees: Jeff Licquia, Stew Benedict, Jesper Thomschultz, Carlos
Duclos, Ron Hale-Evans, Russ Herrold, Alexey Khoroshilov, George Kraft,
Vojtech Pavlik, Jiri Dluhos, David Herron, Robert Schweikert
Jeff: introduce David Herron, one of the new Java people. David:
Quality lead for Java group. Dalibor Topic will be the primary contact
between Java and the LSB. Ron: because we're referencing the spec, the
Java spec in the LSB will be simple: "see the Java published standard".
There will be a subset of the options for Java specified in the man
page. Creating a new module for Java. David: has been on the mailing
list for the past few months, has been following the discussion.
David: Would like to look at the docs. Ron: will get current status by
the end of the week. There's a bug in Bugzilla with the SGML. David:
hasn't seen the mail. Ron: will resend, may be connectivity issues.
David: don't have a sense from our team about what changes we need to
make. Plan is to simply document what is there now. Jeff: our old
plan, before OpenJDK, was to try and get JVM providers to make their JVM
an LSB-compliant app. If we add Java to the spec, this is less urgent,
although some Java app vendors still tie their app to a specific JVM.
TCK issues. David: the TCK is run by JTHarness; not legal to use
another harness. Call JTHarness and tell it to run the TCK; there's a
documented output format. Jeff: translate it to TET journals? David:
not sure if the rules would allow it, but should be possible from a
technical perspective. Still license issues to take care of. Jeff:
usability issues. David: need to sign a Contributor Agreement and
Trademark Agreement. Jeff: who would be the right people to get
involved? David: Dalibor wouldn't be quite right, but he should have
the right contacts. Ray Ganz. Onno Aluit. Maybe Dalibor should
initiate this. Jeff: can we get a copy of the TCK? David: Java TCK
itself is read-only; other TCKs are open source. Can get access online.
David: there's been a long-standing issue with Java and LSB integration;
are glad it's finally getting resolved. Jeff: it seems people have been
hitting both sides of this problem.
Ron: forwarded the email.
Russ: CentOS cannot ship Java. David: under GPL. Russ: indemnification
is the problem, will go through the license. Jeff: intent is to make it
possible to use OpenJDK; not being able to use that would be a
show-stopper. Russ: has a problem with part of the TCK license. Jeff:
link? Russ: will send. (Russ is a lawyer, but is not giving legal
advice with any of his comments, and does not do so except in a
confidential attorney-client relationship.)
Packaging. Russ: some maintenance is better than none. Three tines on
the RPM fork is a good thing. Moves it out of the lead maintainer's
Vojtech: have run the idea of integrating the SDK into SLES by people at
Novell, toolchain team. Reaction was mostly excited. Great benefit for
both LSB and SLES 11. In favor; question is the timing. Will go into
beta sometime in November, so need to get something in before that.
Jeff: beta in September. Vojtech: that would be good, but a pre-alpha
preview would be good ASAP. Would provide as a pattern, so that you'd
build LSB-compliant binaries by default if installed. Also, generic
pattern, which would do things the normal way. Could have a dialog in
the workflow to suggest the LSB pattern. Jeff: snapshots. Vojtech:
Russ: RPM 5 could include the ability to run the LSB tests as part of
the build process. Is there interest in this? Jeff: there may be.
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