[lsb-discuss] unoffficial LSB conference call minutes for 10 Oct 2012

[R P Herrold]

LSB teleconference

Wednesday, 10 Oct 2012 @11:00 to noon, US ET

Where:	(605) 715-4920 Access Code: 512468

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Attendees:
in the form : name (organization)  [irc_nick]
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Stew Benedict (LF)  stewb
Rick Troth (Velocity Software) rickt
Carlos O'Donell (Mentor Graphics) odonell
Jeff Licquia (LF)  licquia
Denis Silakov (ROSA Labs)  denis_silakov
Robert Schweikert (SuSE)  robjo
Russ Herrold (Owl River)  orc_emac
Glen Petrie (Epson)

potentials:
Mats Wichmann (Intel)  mwichmann
Alan Clark (SuSE)  AlanClark
Darren Davis (SuSE)
Jiri Dluhos (SUSE)  jdluhos
Alexey Khoroshilov (ISP RAS)  Alexey

Apologies:
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Kay Tate (SuSE)  ktate


Posted Agenda:
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  - More LSB 5.0 progress.

  - More stable update discussion.

  - Other topics as requested.

New business:
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Meeting opens at 11:00 with:

Call started very promptly. Carlos went through some 
strangeness (or perhaps at least non-obvious behaviors) in 
optimization strategy of the dynamic linker and glibc. 
Linaro and Canonical had encountered its effects, and Mentor 
will be filing an upstream bug on this, of which he will send 
detail along to the LSB ML

Jeff walks through update release planning. Stew has been 
working on libglib and headers.  The LSB may have been overly 
enthusiastic in cramming headers into glib.h in the past, and 
trying to compare to upstream has been slow slogging as a 
result.  There are other challenges ahead in glib space, with 
gio and gobject having large numbers of new interfaces (over a 
1000, and 79, respectively) to conform.

Stew:  pango has over 200 new interfaces and a new library: 
libpangox

Jeff: libtiff changes went into devchk; pulling a static local 
libtiff out of appbat seemed not to cause breakage.  libpng is 
in our future, along with ncursesw and xcb.  Glen: still 
pounding at sane

Jeff: summarizing: gtk (and dependency ffi) seem to be 
progressing; libtiff seems to be moving to libtiff-5 and is 
working

Bug triage call last week went through 'blocker bugs'. 
gcc-4.7 readiness of LSB is an ongoing question that we are 
watching cautiously.  'perl' related failures have been 
increasing in 'bleeding edge; distributions, as perl 
re-organizes some implementation interfaces and pull some core 
modules out, either to CPAN or to eliminate entirely; 
perhaps a pow-wow as to roadmap with the perl folks may be in 
order

Because of upstream language changes in roadmap, it may turn 
out that the normal LSB deprecation policy needs to be 
re-stated to mention that outright removal of interfaces when 
they vanish 'upstream' will happen, and that LSB will not be 
in the business of carrying along a dead branch relative to 
the upstream language

Jeff: stretch target for a release candidate on the update for 
next week

Stew:  one possible scope creep for 5.0 is an uplift of 
libpng.  The Collab Summit discussion to avoid doing it seems 
to be not attainable, as the libpng maintainers have bumped 
SO, in a re-organization its exposed ABI structures (new 
accessors need to be used to reach previously public 
structures).  TO some degree, this is a Hobson's choice, and 
so we will need to make some changes in the wiki, make sure 
the bug is filed and blocker, etc

Call ends at local Noon


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Next meeting:
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17 Oct 2012 11:00 to noon, US ET

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