[lsb-discuss] unofficial LSB conference call minutes for 9 Jul 2014

Wed Jul 9 18:19:09 UTC 2014

LSB teleconference

Wednesday, 9 Jul 2014 @11:00 to noon, US ET 

Where:	(605) 715-4920 Access Code: 512468

Gobby:	gobby -j lsb-temp.pmman.net:6522 with passwd: LSB

IRC channels are:
	#lsb-meeting at freenode.net during meetings
	#lsb at freenode.net most other times

Attendees:
in the form : name (organization)  [irc_nick]
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Russ Herrold (Owl River)  orc_emac
Robert Schweikert (SuSE)  robjo
Jeff Licquia (LF)  licquia
Jeff Johnson (Open Mandriva) 
Rick Troth (Velocity Software) rickt

Regrets
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Mats Wichmann (LSB)  mwichmann
   --- bad bandwidth for access

Posted Agenda: 
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none circulated

New business:
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Meeting opens at 11:00 with:

Jeff L has been catching up LANANA and FHS registration 
requests; also update the 'how to file' obsolete suggestion 
with new language from Russ

Gdk/Gtk changes from Mats need application; there is also a 
database problem on the PNG15 interfaces 

Coming up with a model for stubbing locally generated man 
pages seems useful, per Jeff L 

Jeff J notes that bug 3757 <?> contains two types of 'hard to 
close' library documentation reports -- some uplift, use, 
deprecate; and some 'corner case libraries only used obscurely 
but occasionally popping up.  The first case is 
well-represented by: gethostbyname, hoary, ancient and 
everywhere; long since supplanted with getaddrinfo and friends 
which are ipv6 capable.  Jeff J continues -- devising a way 
for a well-intentioned filer / advocate to find, but to also 
communicate that really, times have moved, and we are NOT 
going to add what they seek, and they may wish to reconsider 
their approach.  Obviously setting to low P, and keeping it 
OFF blocker bug dependencies are an approach.  Perhaps a 
roll-up classification: These are not the droids you seek

https://lsbbugs.linuxfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3757

Pointing out the availability of problemdb2 as an outlet, also 
mentioned; Jeff J notes that in HIS workflow, adding the 
Launchpad hooks, permits him to have both 'pull' and 'push' 
views into bugs

Discussion about the FHS next version:
   https://www.linuxbase.org/betaspecs/
at the 3.0 level mentioned between the Jeff's

Per the call and later IRC, trailhead for other editors:
bzr loggerhead for main fhs source code:

https://bzr.linuxfoundation.org/loggerhead/lsb/devel/fhs-spec/files

source repo for refspecs site (released specs only):

https://bzr.linuxfoundation.org/loggerhead/refspec/devel/refspec/files

There is an interesting open question from the calls, about 
what portable graphics over in the github as well:
   https://github.com/LinuxStandardBase/lsb

Discussion of LSB.next.  Russ mentions an intent to work 
're-validation' on the two trackers as to oldest [since last 
activity] bugs, forward, async to the weekly bug triage, and:
 - skip obvious tracking bugs and bugs with previously 
expressed LSB member interest (probably 'touching' by adding a 
comment to the bug in the process, to cause that bug to have 
activity and so to drop from the triage until the first pass 
is complete -- it wo0uld of course re-appear in a future 
round)
 - cause the bugzilla to send an email asking that the filer 
confirm they are still interested in such

 - such process to proceed until encountering such 
'revalidation' activity in a later session, at which pass the 
rubric becomes to bring non P1 or P2 bugs to the weekly Friday 
triage, or in IRC, seeing if there is still interest from the 
LSB side as to un-responded to bugs
 - The primary hope would be that the initial filer is both 
interested in the bug and might also be enlisted in crafting a 
fix / patch / enhancement, as part of a community 
re-engagement process
 - Bugs not garnering a response from the filer (which would, 
initially) be below P2 will be collated and added as a review 
list, a new section to appear in the weekly call minutes.  
After a couple week's notice [perhaps only one week unless 
there are known vacation / holiday inpingements] and no 
affirmative 'look in' and comment about retaining it in open 
state, closed

One design goal is to avoid the bad taste of 'autoclosed' bugs 
which have been present both in the Launchpad, and the Fedora 
environments 

We ran over, and the call was quite lively.  Come join the fun 
next week, same bat-time, same bat-channel

Call ends at local 12:05

Weekly Bug triage:
==================
The bug tracker is at: 
   https://lsbbugs.linuxfoundation.org/
(A former bug tracker was used, but is not longer active at:
    https://bugs.linuxfoundation.org/
for people doing research.  Please do not use it for new 
filings)

Bug triage occurs weekly: irc-only #lsb-meeting at 
freenode.net
*** FRIDAY* ** at 10:00 Eastern

Bugzilla (lsbbugs) stats as of 9 Jul 2014: 
https://lsbbugs.linuxfoundation.org/
616 open, 619 open last week 
605 assigned, 10 new, 1 reopened, 1 needinfo, 5 pleasetest
New last 90 days: 48, last 30: 22; closed last 90: , last 30: 
14
Changed this week: 7, last week: 111
Bugs that are assigned but have no milestone: 248
Bugs (non infrastructure) that are assigned but have no 
milestone: 154
Rollup bugs: 26

Bug (bugs) stats:
https://bugs.linuxfoundation.org/
62 open FHS
62 assigned, 0 new, 0 reopened, 0 needinfo, 0 pleasetest

last week's bug triage minutes:

No triage last week, and so no minutes links

How to get involved:
====================
NEW: LaunchPad visualization
   https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lsb/+spec/lsb-5.0-release
 - see the last minutes of the month for a full list of ways 
to participate.    These may be found in the mailing list 
archive at:
   http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lsb-discuss/

Buildbot:
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http://www.linuxbase.org/buildbot/

Next meeting:
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16 Jul 2014 11:00 to noon, US ET 

gobby unofficial minutes are open for edit for at least 15 min 
after each call, and then issued into the mailing list

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This document: LSB_minutes_20140709.txt 

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