From gk4 at austin.ibm.com Fri Nov 7 06:26:56 2003 From: gk4 at austin.ibm.com (George Kraft) Date: Thu Jul 12 13:07:52 2007 Subject: [Lsb-sc] motion to accept election committee members Message-ID: <1068215216.2590.1272.camel@gkraft4> The following have volunteered to serve on the LSB Election Committee: Andrew Josey, OpenGroup Stuart Anderson, FSG George Kraft, IBM Thorsten Kukuk, SuSE Stew Benedict, Mandrake I motion that the LSB SC charter this committee per our charter to form a nominee list for LSB chairmanship, and conduct an election ASAP. ------------------------------------------------------------ Steering Committee VOTE ------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Josey Stuart Anderson Chris Yeoh George Kraft YES (motion) Marvin Heffler Mats Wichmann Matt Taggart ------------------------------------------------------------ You can respond with: yes, no, abstain, caucus. http://www.csufresno.edu/comm/cagle-p3.htm#Handling George (gk4) -----Forwarded Message----- From: George Kraft To: lsb-discuss@freestandards.org Subject: [lsb-discuss] Volunteers for the LSB Election Committee. Date: 05 Nov 2003 15:03:18 -0600 The LSB Steering Committee is seeking three more volunteers to join Andrew Josey, Stuart Anderson, and George Kraft on the LSB Election Committee that is chartered to form a nominee list for LSB chairmanship, and conduct the election. To be on the LSB Election Committee one must satisfy the requirements of being an "LSB Participant" as outlined in the LSB Charter. http://www.linuxbase.org/policy/charter.html If you're an LSB Participant and would like to volunteer to serve on the LSB Election Committee, then please contact me ASAP. We will accept no more than three more (total of 6) volunteers. Thanks, -- George (gk4) _______________________________________________ lsb-discuss mailing list lsb-discuss@freestandards.org http://freestandards.org/mailman/listinfo/lsb-discuss -- George (gk4) From heffler at us.ibm.com Fri Nov 7 07:28:40 2003 From: heffler at us.ibm.com (Marvin Heffler) Date: Thu Jul 12 13:07:52 2007 Subject: [Lsb-sc] motion to accept election committee members Message-ID: If the motion has not already been seconded, then I second the motion. Additionally, I vote YES on the motion. Regards, Marvin Heffler Linux Standard Base IBM Linux Technology Center 11400 Burnet Road, Zip 908-1A33 Austin, TX 78758 (512) 838-0953 T/L 678-0953 George Kraft Sent by: lsb-sc-admin@mail.freestandards.org 11/07/2003 08:26 AM Please respond to gk4 To: lsb-sc@freestandards.org cc: Subject: [Lsb-sc] motion to accept election committee members The following have volunteered to serve on the LSB Election Committee: Andrew Josey, OpenGroup Stuart Anderson, FSG George Kraft, IBM Thorsten Kukuk, SuSE Stew Benedict, Mandrake I motion that the LSB SC charter this committee per our charter to form a nominee list for LSB chairmanship, and conduct an election ASAP. ------------------------------------------------------------ Steering Committee VOTE ------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Josey Stuart Anderson Chris Yeoh George Kraft YES (motion) Marvin Heffler Mats Wichmann Matt Taggart ------------------------------------------------------------ You can respond with: yes, no, abstain, caucus. http://www.csufresno.edu/comm/cagle-p3.htm#Handling George (gk4) -----Forwarded Message----- From: George Kraft To: lsb-discuss@freestandards.org Subject: [lsb-discuss] Volunteers for the LSB Election Committee. Date: 05 Nov 2003 15:03:18 -0600 The LSB Steering Committee is seeking three more volunteers to join Andrew Josey, Stuart Anderson, and George Kraft on the LSB Election Committee that is chartered to form a nominee list for LSB chairmanship, and conduct the election. To be on the LSB Election Committee one must satisfy the requirements of being an "LSB Participant" as outlined in the LSB Charter. http://www.linuxbase.org/policy/charter.html If you're an LSB Participant and would like to volunteer to serve on the LSB Election Committee, then please contact me ASAP. We will accept no more than three more (total of 6) volunteers. Thanks, -- George (gk4) _______________________________________________ lsb-discuss mailing list lsb-discuss@freestandards.org http://freestandards.org/mailman/listinfo/lsb-discuss -- George (gk4) _______________________________________________ Lsb-sc mailing list Lsb-sc@mail.freestandards.org http://mail.freestandards.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lsb-sc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/lsb-sc/attachments/20031107/4b95f78f/attachment.htm From mats.d.wichmann at intel.com Fri Nov 7 08:29:12 2003 From: mats.d.wichmann at intel.com (Wichmann, Mats D) Date: Thu Jul 12 13:07:52 2007 Subject: [Lsb-sc] Steering Committee membership Message-ID: Our recently adopted charter allows for virtual subcommittees to gain an SC seat, as long as they meet the eligibility rules (at least two members classified as active). I believe that the "LSB Conforming Systems" committee does meet the criteria, as at least Thorsten Kukuck and Matt Wilson are active enough, possibly also Stew Benedict. Should we invite them to pick a "subproject lead" for the SC seat? And on the topic of keeping distros involved, perhaps we could "encourage" Connectiva to weigh in occasionally, I met Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo ("Kernel Janitors") at Linux Kongress and I saw he made some comments on the FHS list. -- mats From mats.d.wichmann at intel.com Fri Nov 7 08:29:14 2003 From: mats.d.wichmann at intel.com (Wichmann, Mats D) Date: Thu Jul 12 13:07:52 2007 Subject: [Lsb-sc] motion to accept election committee members Message-ID: Yes. > The following have volunteered to serve on the LSB Election Committee: > > Andrew Josey, OpenGroup > Stuart Anderson, FSG > George Kraft, IBM > Thorsten Kukuk, SuSE > Stew Benedict, Mandrake > > I motion that the LSB SC charter this committee per our > charter to form a nominee list for LSB chairmanship, > and conduct an election ASAP. ... > ------------------------------------------------------------ > You can respond with: yes, no, abstain, caucus. From taggart at carmen.fc.hp.com Fri Nov 7 09:45:01 2003 From: taggart at carmen.fc.hp.com (Matt Taggart) Date: Thu Jul 12 13:07:52 2007 Subject: [Lsb-sc] motion to accept election committee members In-Reply-To: Your message of "07 Nov 2003 08:26:56 CST." <1068215216.2590.1272.camel@gkraft4> References: <1068215216.2590.1272.camel@gkraft4> Message-ID: <20031107174502.4CD8337D1C@carmen.fc.hp.com> George Kraft writes... > The following have volunteered to serve on the LSB Election Committee: > > Andrew Josey, OpenGroup > Stuart Anderson, FSG > George Kraft, IBM > Thorsten Kukuk, SuSE > Stew Benedict, Mandrake > > I motion that the LSB SC charter this committee per our charter to form > a nominee list for LSB chairmanship, and conduct an election ASAP. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Steering Committee VOTE > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Andrew Josey > Stuart Anderson > Chris Yeoh > George Kraft YES (motion) > Marvin Heffler > Mats Wichmann > Matt Taggart Yes. -- Matt Taggart Linux and Open Source Lab taggart@fc.hp.com Hewlett-Packard From cyeoh at samba.org Sat Nov 8 04:44:42 2003 From: cyeoh at samba.org (Christopher Yeoh) Date: Thu Jul 12 13:07:52 2007 Subject: [Lsb-sc] motion to accept election committee members In-Reply-To: <1068215216.2590.1272.camel@gkraft4> References: <1068215216.2590.1272.camel@gkraft4> Message-ID: <16300.58682.989847.446327@gargle.gargle.HOWL> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 2003/11/7 08:26-0600 George Kraft writes: > The following have volunteered to serve on the LSB Election Committee: > > Andrew Josey, OpenGroup > Stuart Anderson, FSG > George Kraft, IBM > Thorsten Kukuk, SuSE > Stew Benedict, Mandrake > > I motion that the LSB SC charter this committee per our charter to form > a nominee list for LSB chairmanship, and conduct an election ASAP. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Steering Committee VOTE > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Andrew Josey > Stuart Anderson > Chris Yeoh > George Kraft YES (motion) > Marvin Heffler > Mats Wichmann > Matt Taggart > ------------------------------------------------------------ > You can respond with: yes, no, abstain, caucus. > > http://www.csufresno.edu/comm/cagle-p3.htm#Handling > yes. - -- cyeoh@au.ibm.com IBM OzLabs Linux Development Group Canberra, Australia -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 iD8DBQE/rOU00BqcGU12bN4RAjA5AJ97RhHY41SQlYZeVEqzWiEI5crLXACeNpUD /712ursMjminZVRBDIzoiD4= =iiLo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gk4 at austin.ibm.com Mon Nov 10 06:59:41 2003 From: gk4 at austin.ibm.com (George Kraft) Date: Thu Jul 12 13:07:52 2007 Subject: [Lsb-sc] election committee members In-Reply-To: <16300.58682.989847.446327@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <1068215216.2590.1272.camel@gkraft4> <16300.58682.989847.446327@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <1068476380.2842.1330.camel@gkraft4> Motion passed. The following volunteers will serve on the LSB Election Committee: Stuart Anderson, FSG Andrew Josey, OpenGroup George Kraft, IBM Thorsten Kukuk, SuSE Stew Benedict, Mandrake George (gk4) From gk4 at austin.ibm.com Fri Nov 14 06:25:46 2003 From: gk4 at austin.ibm.com (George Kraft) Date: Thu Jul 12 13:07:52 2007 Subject: [Lsb-sc] LSB Internationalized Runtime Environment Message-ID: <1068819945.2589.1946.camel@gkraft4> The OpenI18N will be releasing an update to their "LSB Internationalized Runtime Environment". I have requested that they change the name of their standards product to "OpenI18N Runtime Environment"; however, that was not accepted by their SC. I feel strongly that no other workgroup, entity, or product use the name "LSB", because to me it implies our oversight. What if someone were to come out with an "LSB Realtime Environment" and nicknamed it "LSBr", then come to find that it was not compatible with LSB and the realtime support was questionable. Does the LSB want to take the community perception hit for some other groups shoddy work? I think the FSG board has made a mistake in not promoting their own brand recognition, and lending the name "LSB" to its various workgroups. Now that the precedence has been set, I believe we can expect to see "LSBp" for printing, "LSBa" for accessibility, "LSBe" for embedded, "LSBd" for desktop. Will these be confused with our own "LSB server" and "LSB workstation" profiles? Am I being overly sensitive, or is this something to not be concerned about? -- George (gk4) From anderson at freestandards.org Fri Nov 14 06:38:43 2003 From: anderson at freestandards.org (anderson@freestandards.org) Date: Thu Jul 12 13:07:52 2007 Subject: [Lsb-sc] LSB Internationalized Runtime Environment In-Reply-To: <1068819945.2589.1946.camel@gkraft4> References: <1068819945.2589.1946.camel@gkraft4> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, George Kraft wrote: > Am I being overly sensitive, or is this something to not be concerned > about? I thought "LSB" was already reserved for the LSB workgroup only. This is a case of "built on LSB", but we are still working on the rules for using that. Stuart anderson@freestandards.org Free Standards Group Lead Developer, Written Specification Linux Standard Base 1024D/37A79149: 0791 D3B8 9A4C 2CDC A31F BD03 0A62 E534 37A7 9149 From ajosey at rdg.opengroup.org Fri Nov 14 06:49:49 2003 From: ajosey at rdg.opengroup.org (Andrew Josey) Date: Thu Jul 12 13:07:52 2007 Subject: [Lsb-sc] LSB Internationalized Runtime Environment In-Reply-To: George Kraft's message as of Nov 14, 8:25am. References: <1068819945.2589.1946.camel@gkraft4> Message-ID: <1031114144949.ZM7330@skye.rdg.opengroup.org> hi George I think the Board position is that there is one brand only, and that is the LSB. In the case of the LSB Internationalized Runtime Environment, a system is required to be LSB runtime certified and also comply to the OpenI8N 1.3 requirements, adding internationalized functionality, hence the LSB Internationalized Runtime Environment. (btw the LSB Certification Policy defines the LSB Internationalized Runtime Environment, and any change would need a policy change) I understand your concern that this might imply that the "base" runtime is not internationalized and had suggested they rename it to "OpenI18N Runtime Environment 1.3" which did not get ascent. I do not know if there is a middle path of "LSB OpenI18N Runtime Environment" regards Andrew ----- Andrew Josey The Open Group Director of Certification Apex Plaza,Forbury Road, Email: a.josey@opengroup.org Reading,Berks.RG1 1AX,England Tel: +44 118 9508311 ext 2250 Efax: +1 415 276 3760 UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the US and other countries. ********************************************************************* Boundaryless Information Flow: Open Standards and Certification February 2-6, 2004, San Diego, CA, USA http://www.opengroup.org/sandiego2004 ********************************************************************* On Nov 14, 8:25am in "[Lsb-sc] LSB Interna", George Kraft wrote: > The OpenI18N will be releasing an update to their "LSB Internationalized > Runtime Environment". I have requested that they change the name of > their standards product to "OpenI18N Runtime Environment"; however, that > was not accepted by their SC. > > I feel strongly that no other workgroup, entity, or product use the name > "LSB", because to me it implies our oversight. What if someone were to > come out with an "LSB Realtime Environment" and nicknamed it "LSBr", > then come to find that it was not compatible with LSB and the realtime > support was questionable. Does the LSB want to take the community > perception hit for some other groups shoddy work? > > I think the FSG board has made a mistake in not promoting their own > brand recognition, and lending the name "LSB" to its various > workgroups. Now that the precedence has been set, I believe we can > expect to see "LSBp" for printing, "LSBa" for accessibility, "LSBe" for > embedded, "LSBd" for desktop. Will these be confused with our own "LSB > server" and "LSB workstation" profiles? > > Am I being overly sensitive, or is this something to not be concerned > about? > > -- > George (gk4) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Lsb-sc mailing list > Lsb-sc@mail.freestandards.org > http://mail.freestandards.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lsb-sc >-- End of excerpt from George Kraft From gk4 at austin.ibm.com Fri Nov 14 12:59:54 2003 From: gk4 at austin.ibm.com (George Kraft) Date: Thu Jul 12 13:07:52 2007 Subject: [Lsb-sc] LSB 1.3 compliant Message-ID: <1068843593.2589.2375.camel@gkraft4> In the Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Version 3 features and benefits data sheet it mentions that it is "LSB 1.3 compliant" for Intel X86, Intel Itanium, AMD AMD64 and IBM zSeries, iSeries, pSeries, and S/390. This is great news, but I don't see this registered with the FSG's Certification Authority. http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/features/ http://www.linuxbase.org/test/registered.html We beat up Caldera for this back in January of 2002 for saying they were LSB compliant, and we rewrote their PR to say "successful participation in the LSB Certification Pilot, with commitment to certification". I think someone at RH has unintentionally crossed the line with respect to RHEL v3 and its status of conformance. I think RH should fix their webpage and we not make any big deal over the mistake. -- George (gk4) From mats.d.wichmann at intel.com Fri Nov 14 13:56:47 2003 From: mats.d.wichmann at intel.com (Wichmann, Mats D) Date: Thu Jul 12 13:07:52 2007 Subject: [Lsb-sc] LSB 1.3 compliant Message-ID: >We beat up Caldera for this back in January of 2002 for saying they were >LSB compliant, and we rewrote their PR to say "successful participation in >the LSB Certification Pilot, with commitment to certification". >I think someone at RH has unintentionally crossed the line with respect to >RHEL v3 and its status of conformance. I think RH should fix their webpage >and we not make any big deal over the mistake. Yeah... I think Matt was trying to push through the whole stack of certifications on release date, and they all got stuck, because I remember him moaning about how bad a day he was having on that front. Also filed a whole bunch of PRs (although of course we can't officially see that it was him, I think it was from the timing). You might want to check with Matt, perhaps these are imminent. I certainly don't want to make a fuss over it either, but we should make sure the claims are indeed correct, that's the objective of the FSG protecting the brand. And of course they do need to modify the wording on those architectures for which there isn't a certification program, like AM64 and PPC64. Mats