[packaging] Fwd: Useing distro package managers. Was: Re: Meeting next week to discuss trusted third-party repositories

[Dan Kegel]

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Jeff Johnson <n3npq at mac.com> wrote:
> You leave out details.

Sorry, I didn't mean to.  I'll attach the complete posts to provide
the missing details.

> No matter what: Never talk to me privately ever again.

OK.  Should I remove your address from the 'To:' line when replying to
a message on a mailing list, too?
- Dan

From: Dan Kegel <dank06 at kegel.com>
Date: Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 8:16 AM
To: Jeff Johnson <n3npq at mac.com>


If we're in agreement, it must be the violent sort,
you keep making me want to throttle you.

I'll go find a bandaid...

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From: Jeff Johnson <n3npq at mac.com>
Date: Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 8:27 AM
To: Dan Kegel <dank06 at kegel.com>


We're not in agreement if you don't think we agree.

(aside) I have already been threatened many times with
personal violence but linux bigots. Somehow I did not sign
up for personal threats when I started working on RPM.

I take all threats or violence against my personal body parts
non-metaphorically.

You plain and simply have no right to threaten me personally no matter
what authority
you think your linux credentials give you. I'll Fed-Ex a band-aid if that helps.

The topic is "LSB package management",  not otherwise.

73 de Jeff

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From: Dan Kegel <dank06 at kegel.com>
Date: Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 9:34 AM
To: Jeff Johnson <n3npq at mac.com>


I think we're ok on technical stuff.  Where we differ is
that you seem to think my effort to make things easier for
users is misguided.

But I'll just put a mental killfile on any confused remarks
from you, and pay attention only on the germane technical
issues you bring up.  If you do likewise, we'll get along fine.
- Dan

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From: Jeff Johnson <n3npq at mac.com>
Date: Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 9:42 AM
To: Dan Kegel <dank06 at kegel.com>


You have no idea what I "think" except what I choose to
express publically. Don't fool yerself.

By all means, point me at any public text that leads to your confusion
that your efforts is misguided, and I will be happy to clarify my "public"
comment. Noted, no apology for your private "throttle" threat. I
really could not
care less whether we get along or not.

The topic is "LSB Package Management". Take the rest of this thread
public please.

73 de Jeff

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From: Dan Kegel <dank06 at kegel.com>
Date: Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 9:57 AM
To: Jeff Johnson <n3npq at mac.com>


I apologize.  I didn't intend to threaten you!  I was just trying to
describe my cranky state.
Getting along better helps get the technical issues resolved faster, fwiw.
- Dan

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From: Jeff Johnson <n3npq at mac.com>
Date: Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 10:09 AM
To: Dan Kegel <dank06 at kegel.com>


Thank you. When it comes to LSB packaging, there is no "faster", and
"resolution" means "consensus" which (imho) is never going
to happen because vendors (and distros) will never agree until forced.

FWIW, I've been privately involved with "LSB packaging"
since inception. Of course there are many who wish to
"throttle" my involvement in the discussion instead of solving
the engineering issues.

I shall not bore you with the details ...

I am solely interested in properly engineered implementations. The SuSE
solution is quite promising if other details can be worked through.

Again, public discussion only please, I'm tired of endless pointless
meandering personal private feel-good <-> feel-bad traffic in my
mbox.

I want to see a properly engineered solution for "LSB packaging".

73 de Jeff